Are there JBL - LSR users around here?

azusa749a · Post by **azusa749a** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:46 pm

I'm thinking about buying a pair of LSR 4328P's.
Are they really good?

EMRR · Post by **EMRR** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:05 pm

I have been a devout user of the older LSR28P's for a long time, and I doubt you can go wrong with those. There are a ton of great speakers to choose from though, depending on your work style and needs.

azusa749a · Post by **azusa749a** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:46 pm

Thanks Doug. I just read a review on SOS mag. for this model today.
There is some positive review but reviewer likes to listen them with the RMC off.

cooper8168 · Post by **cooper8168** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:26 pm

I've used my LSR6328P's on every film score that I have mixed for the past two years (that's probably 18 scores). We now have 11 of them at my studio.

The best monitors in the world, in my opinion, are the ATC ASL 50, 100, and 150. They have the absolute sickest top end I have ever heard, and many scoring engineers currently use them because of it (I use them when recording orchestra). But the ATC's have two problems: 1) at about $14k per pair (for the 100), they are way too expensive, and 2) they are not very good on non-orchestral music because they lack low-end punch. The nice thing that Peter Chaikin and the team at JBL have done with the LSR's is give them a top end that's very similar to the ATC, while maintaining a punchy bottom that's suitable for all styles of music. It's really incredible how open the LSR's are, but with a solid butt to match.

cooper8168 · Post by **cooper8168** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:38 pm

Oh, and RMC of course depends on your room. You may or may not need it, but I certainly would not disengage it simply because the reviewer does. Your room characterstics and placement will likely be entirely different, and thus you may benefit from a little correction. Every listening environment is unique.

fokof · Post by **fokof** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:49 pm

Same here , I'm a long time LSR28P user.
Price /performance ratio of these is really good , I think you can't go wrong!

project · Post by **project** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:00 pm

i bought the JBL LSR4326P and i love em! I had the event 20/20bas before these. these are great monitors and have helped improve my mixes 100%!

Also putting the super chunks (absorbers) in really helped a lot i did both at the same time, monitors and insulation.

azusa749a · Post by **azusa749a** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:18 pm

It's nice to hear from another user. How do you like the RMC?
Do you use it?

project · Post by **project** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:01 pm

yeah i use the RMC I think it helps a lot. it is cutting at the right freq as far as my test have shown.

OftheSeven · Post by **OftheSeven** » Wed May 17, 2006 3:50 pm

Hmm, I'm thinking of the LSRs as well. I went from Mackie HR824s to Adam P33As right now. I had the LSR6328 for about two days to try out. I didn't have enough time to evaluate them.

My Adams are great, but CDs which I thought sounded great, sound awful on them. Of course the Mackies were the complete opposite. My room is heavily treated with GIK panels.

Plus, are the LSR4328 series the same sound as the LSR6328? I know they have some more built in options.

BradLyons · Post by **BradLyons** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:11 pm

OftheSeven, NO NO NO NO NO that is not the problem. Here's the deal, the P33A's are unlike most monitors. Actually, ADAM are unlike most monitors. ADAM's are brutally accurate, they are NOT about making your music sound better--they are about allowing you to mix your music to sound better on other systems. It's unfortnate that the vast majority of those try out or evaluate monitors based on playing a CD through them and if the CD sounds great, the monitors must be really good. But if the CD sounds thin or not so appealing, the monitors must not be that wonderful. ***PLAYING A CD THROUGH MONITORS ONLY SHOWS HOW THAT MIX SOUNDS ON THOSE MONITORS, IT SHOWS YOU NOTHING OF THE MONITORS THEMSELVES***

I personally own the P33A's and am about to add (3) P11A's for a 5.1 surround system, I know the ADAM's (and many other monitors) quite well. I am fortunate to be in a position where I have many products available to me to evaluate, to take the time to mix on them in the studio, and test that mix on other playback systems as THAT is the true test of a monitor. The P33A's are incredibly tight in the low-end because of the additional woofer that kicks in from 150Hz down to 35Hz. The mids are more defined because the woofer isn't having to handle as much bass, of course the folded ribbon tweeter is the secret to the clarity and depth in the monitor itself. So I want to assure you, don't feel bad about your CD's sounding like blah through them--that's normal. Now if your mix on the ADAM's sounds like blah in other playback systems, then you have a problem and I can assure you with 100% certainty it is NOT NOT NOT the ADAM's.

cooper8168 · Post by **cooper8168** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:39 pm

Don't mean to start a fight here, but Brad is simply wrong.

BradLyons · Post by **BradLyons** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:45 pm

Cooper,

Nice list of gear on your website! How do you like that Martin Sound surround controller? I'm considering one myself, have not used one unfortunately

cooper8168 · Post by **cooper8168** » Wed May 17, 2006 5:52 pm

Hopefully Doug Osborne at Martinsound isn't monitoring this board, but in a word, I'd have to describe the Multimax as "eh". There is nothing out there that is anywhere near as flexible as the Multimax, but there are a number of controllers, notably the Grace, that sound better. Compared to the Grace, the Multimax is a bit brittle. But I run my JBL's on a slight X-Curve, which takes care of some of that top-endy stuff anyway, so it's really no big deal. I just wish the Grace were nearly as flexible in terms of routing and I/O as the Multimax. I sometimes need to lay back 5 simultaneous 5.1 stems, and nothing else, short of a Euphonix System 5, will handle that. Certainly a box won't handle it.

OftheSeven · Post by **OftheSeven** » Wed May 17, 2006 6:04 pm

Hi Brad,

Thanks for the reply - yeah, I gathered it was the fact that the Adams are brutally honest. It was a little dissapointing to hear Superunknown and feel that it was kinda flat sounding (at least in my room).

I've done some rough mixes on the P33s and think they translate pretty well. I'm having some problems w/ the kick drum and bass gtr to sit in the mix, but I assume it's because of my room which is 14x17 with an A-frame ceiling going up to about 12ft. The speakers sit about 1 ft (from back of speaker to wall) in the vertical position. I have the high end down -4db and the low end at about -4db as well.

Any suggestions you can give on placement would be cool. I can post some pics of how it's setup.