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Sometimes, playback DOESN''T PLAYBACK! The wiper moves but everything is muted. Hit stop, playback again, and you get double EVERYTHING (MIDI) and apparent phase cancellation due to the double playback.
I am also unable to clear the input monitor clip indicator unless I Quit and restart the program. Also, DP wants to default to a file I was working on yesterday, but will not default to the last file played. I have thr prog set to "do nothing" when launchedbut it still wants yesterdays file. Must like that music
Interestingly, the click (set to record only; internal audio) WILL play for a measure or so during the silent sections and then stop after a measure or so. The wiper continues to move as if it is playing. Outputs are showing MIDI activity (MIDI interface shows no activity. After a few measures, all the notes come back at once and there is a bunch of garbled mess. STOP and REPLAY and it clears up....
I pity anyone using this in a live playback or record setting. It just is not ready. I am a BIG DP fan and own lots of their stuff. They have $1000's of my dollars and eternal thanks for making so much possible for me. But this release is NOT ready for the market if they want to maintain their reputation and compete with stable programs.
<sigh>
I'll keep reporting the bugs and update this one when it shows itself. Happens about one out of every 30 playbacks, recording or not.
I don't know if this is the same thing, but I've noticed every now and then there will be a little hiccup in the playback of DP5. Just a pause really, then every thing catches up and plays fine. This is with just a few tracks (piano, drum loops from the "Brush Artistry" CD, highly recommended, some drum fills and bass). It is not predictable or repeatable at some sections. Just weirdness. Only one or two processor spikes all day on a Quad.
These are the most consistent problems I've been having since working in DP 5. I am continuing work on two projects that were started in 4.61. Both projects are running a moderate amount of VI's, (2-3 MachFive's; 2 Kompakts; 1 Kontakt; 2-4 Battery's; 1-2 FM7's; 1-3 Pro-53's; 1 Absynth; 1-2 EWQLSO's) all playing live. There are no printed audio tracks. I opened both of them in v5, cleaned up the track layout with Track Folders, and continued working.
Random Level Fluctuations
Since then, I get these random boosts of the overall audio level. It honestly sounds like the master fader gets pushed by 3 to 6 dB, just for a measure or two. Everything gets louder! When I stop and play those measures again, everything is fine.
Random "Blast of Notes" when locating
Oh, one other thing. Sometimes when DP is playing, and I stop, locate and play from a new location quickly, I get a huge blast of notes when DP starts playing. It sounds like DP is trying to play every note from the start of the sequence, up to the point where playback is starting... right at the start of playback! I'm afraid I'm going to blow my speakers and headphones! There's nothing worse than being "in the zone" while working, and you stop, locate, hit play and BLAM!!! You get all of your notes triggering simultaneously. At least, that's what it sounds like to me.
Erratic Track Solo Behavior
Geez, I just remembered another one. Sometimes when soloing tracks while DP is playing, I get erratic behavior with tracks becoming audible again for just a few notes. Let me explain. DP is playing, and I engage solo mode. I Option-Click the solo button on the track I want to focus on, soloing that one and turning off all other solos. This is what happens. All the other tracks go silent and the track I have Option-Clicked is soloed correctly. However, a few beats later, some random combination of other tracks can be heard for just a few beats and then they go silent!
Something is definitely going on with the audio engine. I've heard others suspicious of the pre-rendering with plug-ins, but I'm only using VI's, not audio tracks with plug-ins. I was not experiencing this phenomena with 4.61.
This mainly happens when I'm jumping around the sequence during tracking. I have successfully printed various mixes, printed to an audio track, with no problems. It seems that when you start from the very top, this doesn't happen, or rarely happens.
Despite all this, I will continue using DP 5, just for the other improvements. So far, it hasn't stopped me from getting work done. It is extremely annoying though!
Quad G5 - 4GB RAM; PB 17" 1.5 GHz - 1GB RAM; OS 10.4.8, DP 5.11, Digi 002R, Mbox, Pro Tools LE 7.1, DV Toolkit 2, Music Production Toolkit, MachFive, NI Komplete2, EWQLSO GOLD, MemoryMoog Plus
Sounds like a real MIDI Life Crisis to me, if I've ever heard one.
The amazing thing is, the EXACT same thing is happening to me...
NOT!
so far so good, once I eliminated MidiLoops in my patcher maze.
One of the symptoms before i did, was that the Wiper wouldn't move, but the location display did update, and no MIDI was recorded. The tempo was double what I was sending in. Turned out, it was a loop.
Seriously, MLC, good luck. I can't understand why some of us would be plagued by such behavior and not others. . . and it's not like there are no good minds working on it. (like our 'Nation' and the Motu guys in Cambridge.)
I realize that with most of our financial careers depending on a stable DP, it's not a laffing matter.
tommymandel wrote:I realize that with most of our financial careers depending on a stable DP, it's not a laffing matter.
Fact is, DP 5 is about 90% there (or more) but when it goes south, it REALLY goes south! I'm a die hard, so I'll hang in there and stay on the edge. I suspect a maintenance update is going to be out by the end of Summer.
I'm also having the audio dropout issue. Not sure, but it seems to happen after recording when I hit play back. The glitches when opening and closing plugins is very annoying. Is there a way around that? Also, I was hoping the MIDI madness would finally be resolved with 5, for me it seems worse.
Hoping for fixes soon.
bradswan wrote:I'm also having the audio dropout issue. Not sure, but it seems to happen after recording when I hit play back. The glitches when opening and closing plugins is very annoying. Is there a way around that? Also, I was hoping the MIDI madness would finally be resolved with 5, for me it seems worse.
Hoping for fixes soon.
Hey, here's a work around for hung notes if that helps, but you need another MIDI program to execute the ALL NOTES OFF command. If DP hangs and CMD! doens't kill em, go to theother program (I use Finale) and the ALL NOTES OFF command should work. DP will still be in an unstable state and logging out or restarting are recommended (by me, at least.) But at the very least, you can silence your rig while your waiting w/o having to reboot THAT.
As you might expect, since the command is only disabled in DP, it is clearly a DP problem, NOT a CoreMIDI problem. I would imagine tracking something like that down would be a bit difficult or it would have happened already and we'd only be bitchin about the drop outs.
Look on the bright side. If a note doesn't play, it can't hang!
I'm not having any of those problems with DP 5. I've used MIDI to hardware, MIDI to VI's, MIDI to Reason, audio tracks, aux tracks, plugs, and all the rest and I haven't seen an issue. My biggest beef is that I now need a Dual 1ghz machine to run DP 5. Mine is slowwwwwww.
Do you folks having problems have any "extras" running? Any kind of GUI enhancement or similar thing? Multiple apps open at the same time??? What OS version(s) are you currently using????
I generally run DP and nothing else (except Reason).
Also, have you trashed the prefs file and repaired premissions? I know it's usually the first thing most people do when problems arise, but it can't hurt to ask.
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This happens at every upgrade, first it comes out and every one raves about it. Then the bugs start showing up. Then every one waits for the patch or minor upgrade to fix it. Then the patch comes out and fixes 90% of everyone's problems, but adds at least one new one.
My copy of DP5 is due to arrive today hope fully if I set every thing up right it will run fine .
Today while recording 1 audio track in auto punch mode, I could not stop the recording.
I hit spacebar, 3 key and a bunch of other keys.
When it finally reached the punch out point (20 bars later), it stopped.
This has never happend before.
O.K. I guess DP5 is not ready for prime time, at least on my system.
The odd thing is, 4.61 was running perfectly, no crashes, no hiccups.
I'm talking 9 months of jaw dropping reliability.
bradswan wrote:I'm also having the audio dropout issue. Not sure, but it seems to happen after recording when I hit play back. The glitches when opening and closing plugins is very annoying. Is there a way around that? Also, I was hoping the MIDI madness would finally be resolved with 5, for me it seems worse.
Hoping for fixes soon.
Hey, here's a work around for hung notes if that helps, but you need another MIDI program to execute the ALL NOTES OFF command. If DP hangs and CMD! doens't kill em, go to theother program (I use Finale) and the ALL NOTES OFF command should work. DP will still be in an unstable state and logging out or restarting are recommended (by me, at least.) But at the very least, you can silence your rig while your waiting w/o having to reboot THAT.
As you might expect, since the command is only disabled in DP, it is clearly a DP problem, NOT a CoreMIDI problem. I would imagine tracking something like that down would be a bit difficult or it would have happened already and we'd only be bitchin about the drop outs.
Look on the bright side. If a note doesn't play, it can't hang!
just hit the panic button on the front panel of the mtp
simple
Mac Pro (Late 2013
2.7 GHz 12-Core Intel Xeon E5
64 GB 1866 MHz DDR3
Mojave
DP 10.13
MOTU 8pre, MTP AV, 828 mkII
Tons of VIS and plug ins. SSD hard drives etc
I am expecting my copy of DP 5 any day now, so of course I am interested in hearing about these bugs and deciding whether I am ready to take on the installation.
I just want to say...
Your comments would be MUCH more useful if you included a signature (which you can set up in your profile) which tells other users what computer you are using and which operating system, etc. (see mine below, for example).
I know for a fact, that I had all sorts of issues and bugs with DP 4.6 when I was using it on my G4. It drove me crazy and I could not get the issues resolved. When I finally bit the bullet and bought a G5, ALL of those issues went away.
SO... these bugs will not necessarily affect every user. Letting the rest of us know what hardware and software you use will help us to make better assessments and perhaps identify the problem component.
When I solo a track in the mixing board and then take it out of solo I get complete silence until I hit the overall solo button in the menu bar as well.
Playback drops out a lot when I am navigating round the arrangement and as described by some of the posts here it takes a start stop or a long pause before it comes back in. I partly put this down to the age of my machine, but it will probably be linked to the pre-rendering of effects. Does not interrupt my work flow too much.
What about Networking? is everyone who's having problems turned off either their Airport, or their TCP/IP connection? I leave mine on sometimes, but haven't tracked whether there was a correlation between when I had it on, and when I used to have the gratefully departed weirdness.
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