MIDI/Audio 'bouncing' in DP 4.61

Carl Samuels · Post by **Carl Samuels** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:44 am

Greetings -

In DP 4.61 I have made audio tracks of my flamenco-guitar-playing buddy. He has added MIDI sounds from my Proteus/1. We now have 'songs' which are a combination of audio and MIDI tracks. They sound great on my monitoring speakers, but:

1. I have not yet figured out how to take thes combined MIDI/audio compositions and 'bounce to disk' to create a CD that sounds like what I hear on my monitors.

2. Likewise for making a back up disk.

3. And if we try to end a piece with a 'fade', the audio tracks fade but the MIDI tracks remain at full volume.

I suspect that the solution to these problems may involve converting the MIDI tracks to audio. I have consulted the MOTU user manual, web site and tech support for solutions, but am still lost.

Any helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Regards,
Carl Samuels.

kelldammit · Post by **kelldammit** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:46 am

from what i understand, yes, you should record your MIDI tracks as audio prior to mixing/bouncing.
VI's work the same way...they won't show up in the bounced project unless you convert them to audio, then bounce.

kell

buzzsmith · Post by **buzzsmith** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:58 am

Kell is correct.

You have to convert the MIDI to audio...give us a detailed list of your equipment (system, interfaces, etc.) and you'll find eager folks with a simple anser to your inquiry.

I bounce MIDI all the time to audio (obviously in real time) whether it's an external device or a Virtual Instrument.

=bz=

Carl Samuels · Post by **Carl Samuels** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:33 am

Kell & bz -

Thank you both for your timely responses.

My equipment: Apple G5/2.0DC w/1GB RAM; Tiger 10.4.3; DP 4.6.1; iTunes; MOTU 828 MKII FireWire; E-mu Systems Proteus/1......

Thanks again,
Carl Samuels

buzzsmith · Post by **buzzsmith** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:12 pm

Carl:

Got your email...

2. Render MIDI tracks as audio - record the output of your sound modules back into DP audio tracks.

Take the Main Audio out of the Proteus (2 cables) and plug them in to the Audio In of your 828. Whatever inputs you decide on 1/2, 3/4, etc.

Then within DP create an audio stereo track, with those inputs from your Proteus on your 828 as inputs to the new audio track. Arm the track to record.

To verify input, Shift-A will bring up the audio monitor window.

Play the sequence...you should see the levels moving in the Audio Monitor window.

"Rewind" and record.

After recording, assign all tracks to the same Audio output, Analog 1-2 for example, mix with the mixer to get the desired mix...automate if necessary.

Make sure the range in the tracks window starts at the correct time (where the audio begins) and ends at the correct time.

Select those audio tracks, (on my system they are now highlighted in a light blue) and BTD making sure that in the window that appears that you have the correct outputs assigned to bounce from.

This should create a stereo file containing a mix of the existing audio and now the MIDI newly converted to audio.

Hope this helps...the primary problem you're having is converting MIDI to Audio...requires recording the output of the MIDI device to DP as an audio track.

Perhaps some other Unicornation members might jump in as well...been working all day and my forum communication skills have diminished as a result of the long day and a couple of recent glasses of Cabernet!

=bz=

PSPartyband · Post by **PSPartyband** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:37 pm

Hi Folks

I am new to this forum, but not new to DP, and I work with audio and MIDI all the time, so I thought I would add my two cents in.

the way I work is, I monitor my MIDI tracks from an aux. channel, rather than an out board mixer, so I have the audio from my synth and the real audio tracks going out of DP through the same output channels all the time.

This is how I set it up:

I send the stereo audio outs of my synth to input 7&8 of my 828. Create an Aux. track with the input set to 7&8 and output 1& 2 (my main out) now my synth is routed with all my other tracks through DP and the 828

When I finnish my song I usually have MIDI tracks for my synth and MIDI tracks for the Machfive and real audio tracks, so this is how I bounce, in real time.

Set all my outputs to an available stereo buss

create a stereo audio track with its input from that buss

record enable and record all MIDI and audio down at the same time to one stereo channel. then you can either do some mastering to it or export or bounce that track out to put on a CD

Of course if you want to do additional editing on one or more of the MIDI tracks, like add fx's and eq, etc. you will have to record those tracks as audio one at a time by muting the other MIDI tracks and assigning only the output of the aux, that the synth is comming in on, to the buss for recording

hope this gives you more options

Carl Samuels · Post by **Carl Samuels** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:43 am

Kell, BZ and PSPartyband -

THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU! And thanks again. You are very informative and very helpful.

Regards,
Carl Samuels.

chamelion · Post by **chamelion** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:45 am

One last thought. A really quick and easy way to capture what you hear from your speakers (MIDI, audio, effects...) is to invest $19 in a cool little app called Wiretap Pro. I often find myself using it when I just need to grab some audio with the least amount of fuss. You can set it in Sound Activated mode, so that when you hit Play in DP, it automatically goes into record and creates an AIFF or mp3 file.
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/

Cheers,

Geoff

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:27 pm

chamelion wrote:One last thought. A really quick and easy way to capture what you hear from your speakers (MIDI, audio, effects...) is to invest $19 in a cool little app called Wiretap Pro. I often find myself using it when I just need to grab some audio with the least amount of fuss. You can set it in Sound Activated mode, so that when you hit Play in DP, it automatically goes into record and creates an AIFF or mp3 file.
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/

Cheers,

Geoff

Absolutely brilliant Geoff!

Thanks

Gary.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:49 am

I use Wiretap Pro occasionally, too. Be forewarned, though, that it takes what comes out of your speakers, including system alert sounds, mutes, volume changes, etc. Great little app, though, and something I've always wanted.

Shooshie

anamorphic · Post by **anamorphic** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:31 pm

Am I mistaken, but doesn't Wiretap do the exact same thing as Quicktime Pro? I am able to record anything (at least so far) coming in or out of my mac w/QT.

But if Wiretap is easier, hey I'll drop the 19 buck on it.

What say ye?

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:07 pm

anamorphic wrote:Am I mistaken, but doesn't Wiretap do the exact same thing as Quicktime Pro? I am able to record anything (at least so far) coming in or out of my mac w/QT.

But if Wiretap is easier, hey I'll drop the 19 buck on it.

What say ye?

I never tried that, because I didn't know you could! How do you do that?

anamorphic · Post by **anamorphic** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:05 pm

Well, Shoosie, upon reflection, it may not be any easier than Wiretap, but QTPro prefs let you choose your audio input (line in, iSight, PCI424, etc), then File/New Audio Recording, and off you go. It does involve bringing your signal back into one of those inputs, but I've used it to grab web sounds, do quick narrations, etc.

If Wiretap takes it directly from the Mac output without hassle, then hoo-ahh; that's the way to go. I just thought I'd share!

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