news on DP5?

twistedtom · Post by **twistedtom** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:21 am

I am ready to preorder DP5 as usual I see nothing on the MOTU web site.

alexff · Post by **alexff** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:06 am

Well, through the post this morning in the UK, came a glossy leaflet from the MOTU distributers about DP5 with a suggestion it could be ordered from the (UK) site..

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:37 am

What's your guess? Will it be MacIntel only or G5 too?

Resonant Alien · Post by **Resonant Alien** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:47 am

Timeline wrote:What's your guess? Will it be MacIntel only or G5 too?

IMHO, MOTU would be stupid to make it MacIntel only, seeing as there are no available MacIntel Towers yet, and I would venture that most of us are using Towers and not iMacs, Minis, or MacBooks.....BTW....I hope it will be "G4" and "G5", or I am screwed!

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:06 am

Resonant Alien wrote:
Timeline wrote:What's your guess? Will it be MacIntel only or G5 too?
IMHO, MOTU would be stupid to make it MacIntel only, seeing as there are no available MacIntel Towers yet, and I would venture that most of us are using Towers and not iMacs, Minis, or MacBooks.....BTW....I hope it will be "G4" and "G5", or I am screwed!

I was under the impression PPC first and Both later.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:08 am

Resonant Alien wrote:
Timeline wrote:What's your guess? Will it be MacIntel only or G5 too?
IMHO, MOTU would be stupid to make it MacIntel only, seeing as there are no available MacIntel Towers yet, and I would venture that most of us are using Towers and not iMacs, Minis, or MacBooks.....BTW....I hope it will be "G4" and "G5", or I am screwed!

Well it was stupid to take out all the PCI X slots but they did. I wouldn't put it past em to try and force everyone to intel.

If they only did MacTel the uproar would be deafening.

methezer · Post by **methezer** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:20 am

Well it was stupid to take out all the PCI X slots but they did

But that's a different they. MOTU didn't tell Apple to stop using PCI X.

All the NAMM reports I've read said PPC for Q1 and UB later this year...

stickwolf · Post by **stickwolf** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:41 am

There isn't going to be ANY software from ANY company that is MacIntel ONLY for probably a year at the least, more likely two or three. It simply won't exist. PPC Macs will run universal binary software with minor modifications, and the market is gigantic. Until more than 50% of the high-use macs in the world are MacIntel, then EVERY piece of software will work on PPC, excepting maybe utilities designed to deal with Intel chip issues.

I'd bet anyone big money that the first major MacIntel only software will be some future version of OSX, but not 10.5, it'll be at least 10.6 most likely. And until then, no software developer will do anything MacIntel only. I'm shocked anyone even thought of the idea that it could happen. It's preposterous. (and no, I'm not that naive, and I know how business works and how companies piss off clients at times, and I don't mean any of this personally to the poster, so sorry, I mean no offense).

Resonant Alien · Post by **Resonant Alien** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:50 am

I did find the old news posting about DP5 (of course from emusician.com, not from MOTU.com - go figure!) and it stated that DP 5 (not UB) in 1Q followed by UB version 2Q - UB version of course would work on both PPC and Intel.

The thing that is kind of worrisome is that Apple has now split its OSX code into two streams. If anyone noticed - the 10.4.5 update came in two versions - an Intel version and a PPC version. Now, if UB apps are supposed to work on either machine, and if everything is as "transparent" as Apple is letting on, then why would they need to split the OSX code into an "Intel" version and a "PPC" version??

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:28 pm

Why wouldn't Apple just make Rosetta the go between and blow off everyone else RA? They already have Logic to suck everyone in. Ya think MOTU would make any diff.

I don't know. I plan to freeze things about now and just went back to 10.4.2 for good on my sys.

Cheers.

G

soundsun · Post by **soundsun** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:29 pm

Resonant Alien wrote:The thing that is kind of worrisome is that Apple has now split its OSX code into two streams. If anyone noticed - the 10.4.5 update came in two versions - an Intel version and a PPC version. Now, if UB apps are supposed to work on either machine, and if everything is as "transparent" as Apple is letting on, then why would they need to split the OSX code into an "Intel" version and a "PPC" version??

I would guess that as far as the operating system goes, it would make sense to strip out the code that was not necessary for processor. These downloads are big enough as it is without adding a bunch of redundant code. In fact, there's a few apps out there with will strip out the unnecessary code from a universal binary to make it smaller. after all, why have Intel code one a PPC machine? Or PPC code on a Intel box?

edited for spelling

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:37 pm

really soundsun? does that work. I'd like to hear more about how.

Thanks
g

wynsmth · Post by **wynsmth** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:37 pm

OSX from day 1 has been developed for multiple processors brands. The only difference today is the public can get the PPC & Intel version of OSX. The sky is not falling!

soundsun · Post by **soundsun** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:48 pm

Timeline wrote:really soundsun? does that work. I'd like to hear more about how.

Thanks
g

Monolingual will do it. There's a tab for removing "architectures". At this point I don't think you'll recover a lot of space but as more and more universal binary apps get released it could add up.

http://monolingual.sourceforge.net/

sdemott · Post by **sdemott** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:52 pm

Resonant Alien wrote:I did find the old news posting about DP5 (of course from emusician.com, not from MOTU.com - go figure!) and it stated that DP 5 (not UB) in 1Q followed by UB version 2Q - UB version of course would work on both PPC and Intel.

The thing that is kind of worrisome is that Apple has now split its OSX code into two streams. If anyone noticed - the 10.4.5 update came in two versions - an Intel version and a PPC version. Now, if UB apps are supposed to work on either machine, and if everything is as "transparent" as Apple is letting on, then why would they need to split the OSX code into an "Intel" version and a "PPC" version??

It is because for Universal Binaries to work each hardware platform must run a version of the OS that is specifically designed for that hardware.

Simply put - a call the API toolbox must be handled differently on PPC than on Intel hardware, but the call in the code is still the same. That is why there are 2 versions of the OS.

This is not something to worry about or any reason to speculate anything nefarious on Apple's part. This is to be expected & is a very necessary step.

And for the record, once DP is a UB - it will run on PPc or Intel...hence the term "Universal" Binary.

HTH