Smart People help! (melodyne uno)

digsy · Post by **digsy** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:43 pm

Hello, im normally a lurker, but today i have a huge problem.

Allow me to explain.

I have edited a 6 hour musical performance (performed in 2 seperate sessions) to approx four hours. i have removed all the in between chatter and such.
Now i am left with 1 dp sequence containing approx 35 plus songs with 5 seconds of silence between each song. eventually i will edit these performances into 2 long medlys with no stops inbetween songs. but before i do that i want to correct intonation problems throughout the entire vocal. so i purchased melodyne uno to accomplish this. i merged the entire vocals into one file to correct the intonation problems in one shot. only problem is uno refuses to open the vocal file because it is 1.5 gb in size and crashes. i know it has issues with the file size because it will open smaller files just fine. i have tried splitting the file in half, in dp but dp only makes a reference to the split but does not actually create a second file. how would you professionals handle a situation like this?
thanks

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:55 pm

I haven't had to do that, but if I were doing it I'd:

1) start in the Waveform Editor.

2) duplicate the soundbite for each segment I wanted to end up with.

3) cut away those parts of each soundbite-copy until I had the segments I wanted, leaving a few seconds of overlap for splicing them back together later with a crossfade.

The waveform editor does destructive edits, and your audio files will then be the desired lengths.

Shooshie

digsy · Post by **digsy** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:28 pm

thanks for the reply but i may not have explained myself properly.
the issue is not with the splicing and editing of the tracks. i can handle that part but first i want to correct the intonation problems on the vocal.
but with melodyne uno refusing to open the vocal track because of its large size, i need to find a way to get the vocal track into uno for processing. so obviously i need to cut the track in half, process the first half in uno, then the second half. but with the way dp works, when i cut a file in dp, it does not create 2 seperate files. it keeps it as one file but makes reference to the cut. well uno still sees the vocal track as 1 1.5gb track. i want uno to see 2 500 mb files so i can process them in uno.

thanks again.

chamelion · Post by **chamelion** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:51 pm

I use Melodyne 3 Studio. If I wanted to pitch correct the lead vocal in a big bunch of songs, I wouldn't even attempt to load them into Melodyne in one hit. I would absolutely process them as individual tracks and compile them afterward.

For starters, they're probably going to be in different tempos and different keys. In order to perform it's pitch correction function, Melodyne has to first of all run its detection routine on the soundbite. From this it establishes key, tempo and pitch. For that reason, I think that asking Melodyne to pitch correct a single file containing full songs in different keys and tempos is unrealistic, and asking for trouble.

You don't mention whether or not there are vocal harmonies in the material you want to process. Uno doesn't support polyphony; you'd need Melodyne 3 Cre8 or Studio for that. Keep in mind that Melodyne can't 'unmix' a soundbite containing out-of-tune marmony, whether it's a vocal harmony or a guitar chord. It can pitch-change an entire chord as is, but bad intonation within the chord is there to stay.

Melodyne is only as good as the input material. If a singer's pitch is out by more than a quarter of a tone, then it's anybody's guess as to what the intended pitch might be. Melodyne can only make an educated guess, which may or may not be right.

I find that if I select the Pitch tool, select all, and pitch correct the whole track in one hit, Melodyne will get most of it right - depending on the performance. I always go through and check it, fine-tuning as I go. I find Melodyne 3 an indispensable production tool, and can't think how I ever managed without it.

Just my 2 cents' worth.

Cheers,

Geoff

mastermix · Post by **mastermix** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:40 am

Geoff hit most of the points but if you insist on loading the entire 1gig-plus
vocals, check to make sure you have adequate RAM and DP has the appropriate buffers set properly...

Kris...

digsy · Post by **digsy** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:15 am

thanks for the input.

the tracks donot contain harmony. basically a live off the floor recording.
i was hoping to avoid correct 30 plus seperate tracks of vocal.
thanks

chamelion · Post by **chamelion** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:11 pm

I think for that kind of bulk processing, the best tool for the job is probably Auto Tune from Antares: http://www.antarestech.com/

It's not going to be perfect, but with some judicious tweaking, it will cover a multitude of sins in a single pass.

Good luck,

Geoff

scooter · Post by **scooter** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:32 pm

Melodyne Uno 1.5 is out now. Why don't you download it and see if its new features will help your problem. It's for free. But I'm not necessarily claiming to be a smart person.

scooter

grfics · Post by **grfics** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:11 pm

Can't you make new files by selecting, copy/paste then merging only thee pasted soundbite?

GRF

stickwolf · Post by **stickwolf** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:57 am

I thought there was an option to choose to load either a whole file or just a region within that file. So if DP creates separate regions, there should be a way to choose them separately from a menu when you choose OPEN, but I guess if it was that simple, you'd probably be set. Without sitting at your computer, it's hard to tell exactly what is going on.

digsy · Post by **digsy** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:36 pm

hey everybody,

well im still stuck. actually, i am not upset with motu but rather its melodyne that has caused me problems.

without the ability to run this as a plugin, it is absolutly useless to me.
i did not research properly and now im screwed.
incidently, if anybody wants to purchase uno @ a discount price, email me.

............im still open for suggestions if anyone has any.
thanks

mastermix · Post by **mastermix** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:04 am

You have not stated your machine configuration.

Tough to blame software vendors if your machine is not
up to the task.

How much RAM..CPU, virtual disk etc...?

Loading 1.5g plus file in one stroke may be a bit too much..
don't you think?

Everything has limits...

Kris...

stickwolf · Post by **stickwolf** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:59 am

digsy wrote:hey everybody,

well im still stuck. actually, i am not upset with motu but rather its melodyne that has caused me problems.

without the ability to run this as a plugin, it is absolutly useless to me.
i did not research properly and now im screwed.
incidently, if anybody wants to purchase uno @ a discount price, email me.

............im still open for suggestions if anyone has any.
thanks

Sounds like you might be a candidate for the new Waves TUNE (if you can afford it). I'd LOVE to hear feedback if you (or anyone) actually tries it.

grfics · Post by **grfics** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:57 am

If the problem is the file size there a a few ways to make shorter files from a long one in Performer.
This is simple - unless I misunderstand the problem.

GRF

digsy · Post by **digsy** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:22 pm

grfics,

i would love to hear these ways if you could...
i have read the manual twice now but i'm rather bad @ absorbing information such as this.
besides, for what i use dp for, only 15% of the manual is of use to me
i have realized that even with the file restriction, it is foolish of me to load the whole file as within these performances are many different time signatures and tempos so it would only confuse the hell out of uno...

out of all this my question has become clearer now:

***what is the best way to cut the vocals into the 30 seperate vocal peformances----->import each one by one in melodyne----->make my edits------->and open the files in dp again and have dp refresh the files to take the changes into account, without moving the files from their original position within the sequence in dp-----------------------> THANKS***