guitar recording: amp micing or amp-modeling? + amp question

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:44 am

Obscure Object wrote:Would it sound any better if i mic a clean signal from an amp n then process it with Guitar Rig, or is it preferable to just DI to DP? ... Does Guitar Rig emulate mics (meaning it emulates room spaces n all?)

It's better to DI into DP to Guitar Rig. It's not recommend (by NI anyway) to use a miced amp signal going into it. Guitar Rig will add mic choice, placement and cabinet simulation.

Like I stated before though, you'll get a better tone and sustain if your DI chain has some sort of preamp leading into it. Even one of those cheap Art units helps. Of course, if you can afford to line in through an Avalon or UA, all the better.

I also have been looking into Behringer V-tone 212 amp. It's a 2 x 60 W stereo watt with Digital effects and have 27 Amp-modeling as well. Is it sufficiant for rehearsals?

It's okay. I'm not very keen on Behringer gear. I think their only benefit is their price. I think the best-sounding inexpensive amps come from Peavey. Good tone for solid-state gear.

Anyway, don't fret the many posts. Your questions are clear and direct. I'm happy to help out.

dixiechicken · Post by **dixiechicken** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:59 am

Keep in mind that even good emulators like the POD, only emulate certain amp
and speaker combinations chosen by the folks at Line-6.

Not necessarily the sound you're looking for.
I often use my pod for recording (the quick and easy way

) to dial in a
sound.

For a really fat full guitar-sound i prefer to mick my amp - a Fender Blues deVille. ( both slightly overdriven and clean )
Usually the clean channel and krank volume upp as far as myself and my
neighbours can possibly stand.

Cheers: Dixiechicken

yofo · Post by **yofo** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:12 pm

To me , micing is the best way to go but you have to have good mics , pre amps and of coarse a good tube amp .Especially if you want clean , warm tone . But , for the money , its hard to pass up the modelers . I've heard good things from Guitar Rig and Pod . It's like this , If you know how to cook, then spend all night and "cook from scratch" and that will be your best meal . But if you don't know how to cook , better stick with hamburger helper .

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:55 am

Okay... granted I tend to go for one specific sort of tone for guitar... I dug out a pic to give a hint!

HLStudios · Post by **HLStudios** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:48 am

how come no one has mentioned Waves GTR? i havent be able to use it myself but i take it its good since..well its a collaboration with waves and paul reed smith. does anyone owe this one?

mikebeckmotu · Post by **mikebeckmotu** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:39 am

That's just unfair to people with small amps, James! Though it's tempting to take a photo of myself in front of my Toneport for comedic value. Or maybe my little 15 watt Marshall.
Mighty nice rig you got there.

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:11 am

HLStudios wrote:how come no one has mentioned Waves GTR? i havent be able to use it myself but i take it its good since..well its a collaboration with waves and paul reed smith. does anyone owe this one?

Well, I've only listened to the Waves GTR demo, and I was unimpressed. In fact, I thought it kind of sucked. But, maybe someone out there has it and can refute my claim?

BradLyons · Post by **BradLyons** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:32 am

Ladies and Gentleman, straight from the 1989 video shoot of his hit song.... here is JAMES STEELE!

jmoore · Post by **jmoore** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:55 pm

BradLyons wrote:Ladies and Gentleman, straight from the 1989 video shoot of his hit song.... here is JAMES STEELE!

Careful! That might be taken as a slam. If I'm not mistaken, didn't James just sign on with Dean? If so, wouldn't that indicate that the photograph is not all that old? By the way, there was nothing wrong with 1989. I was raised on Bon Jovi and Poison.

-jordan

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:37 pm

jmoore wrote:
BradLyons wrote:Ladies and Gentleman, straight from the 1989 video shoot of his hit song.... here is JAMES STEELE!
Careful! That might be taken as a slam. If I'm not mistaken, didn't James just sign on with Dean? If so, wouldn't that indicate that the photograph is not all that old? By the way, there was nothing wrong with 1989. I was raised on Bon Jovi and Poison.

-jordan

Hmmm... well I'm working on a CD now and there are some cuts you can hear on my site, but I don't know that they sound like 1989.

And yes, I'm fortunate to have an endorsement from Dean Guitars.

http://www.deanguitars.com/jamessteele.php

yofo · Post by **yofo** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:24 pm

I got to ask you James , and you have probably answered this before but whats the story with the South Park avatar . Was that a character from the show and coincidentally had blond hair ,wore a wirless headset mic and played a Dean guitar , or did they create the image for you or did you do that yourself with anamation software ? ( sorry to get off the subject of the thread )

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:32 pm

yofo wrote:I got to ask you James , and you have probably answered this before but whats the story with the South Park avatar .

Check out:
http://images.southparkstudios.com/games/create/

I had to use PhotoShop to put a pic of my guitar in there.

kelldammit · Post by **kelldammit** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:12 pm

man, that's one wicked banjo. you country guys are alright!

i have a sansamp psa-1 (the rackmount job), but prior to that i had the classic pedal...wicked little box, that, and not too hideously pricey. granted, the sansamp stuff has no fx onboard, just amp simulation. it handles playing dynamics remarkably well. nothing sounds like a good tube amp, but their stuff has been pretty cool, and my neighbors don't want to kill me. plus, for gigs, just line it into a pa (some folks like to send the sansamp output into the power amp section of a roland jc-120), and you're set.
i'd agree with most, a nice little tube amp (mebbe even a tube preamp/pedal and a good di) that you can crank the gain and still keep a reasonable volume level, and some sort of sim, and you get the best of both worlds.
i haven't messed with the plugin stuff, but reamping is definitely a good point. i HATE having to redo "the TAKE" cause the tone ended up being just a bit one way or the other...i think i have an "le" version of amplitube i'll have to play with...

kell