HELP!!! I'm going totally bonkers / Crossfades

[JSmith1234567]

Hey I never thought I'd be posting something like this after using Performer for (30-something?) years, but...

Trying to edit two pieces of audio, and all of a sudden, I pull an even crossfade between the two pieces of overlapping audio and it instantly defaults to a crossfade later than what I pulled???

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark (sorry for the Shakespeare quote), but What the heck???

I made a screen-recording but this forum I can't figure out how to post it, but I pull the even crossfade, and then after the crossfade instantly jumps to a point later?

Around a couple of beats later?

None of the time constraints in the upper right-hand corner of the edit window are checked.

Edge-Edit Copy is checked.

I've tried every permutation of Fade preferences in the Fade/Audio menu?

It is so weird! I've been editing audio in DP far before the time of the dinosaurs?

And I've restarted more than once.

It's like a parallel universe.

[stubbsonic]

I was going to guess it was grid snapping, but it sounds like you're sure you have that turned off. Still, you might try holding down the command key while pulling the X-fade-- just to see if it is snapping-- and I know that's probably not it, because you wouldn't even be able to drag your x-fade without noticing the snap is on.

Today, I opened DP and was trying to reorder the tracks, and it wouldn't let me. I tried dragging the ends of any audio region, or MIDI note and it would not change the cursor. So I quit DP and relaunched and it worked after that. Gremlins.

I wonder if you tried doing the same stuff in a fresh project.

[cuttime]

I think this could be caused by there not being enough overlap of the soundbites to provide enough time for the crossfade to happen. See that the overlap is as long or longer than the crossfade.

[HCMarkus]

I think this could be caused by there not being enough overlap of the soundbites to provide enough time for the crossfade to happen. See that the overlap is as long or longer than the crossfade.

This.

[bayswater]

I had the same experience, and as mentioned, it turned out there was not enough overlap. But I’ve done this a zillion times, and never noticed anything like to before. I wonder if DP 11 is more particular about the overlap that earlier versions.

[JSmith1234567]

Ouch I just typed a long detailed reply, but forgot to log-in, so I'm rewriting it and here goes again!

Thanks everyone for all of the thoughtful and helpful replies!

When I saw them this AM, I thought duh! of course that is the problem!

But I went in and tried it both on my work Mac Pro ("trashcan") and MacBook Pro (Retina 13" Early 2015), both running DP 11.34 and in OS X Big Sur.

I checked and there is plenty of audio on each side of the crosspoint. The Mac Pro is running a kind of huge template, but the MacBook is just running a stripped-of-anything two tracks of audio.

The crossfade will work as long as I don't drag it beyond 1 & 1/2 measures on each side, and anything bigger it will bump to the right of the crosspoint when I lift the mouse button.

In the edit window, all three time-constraints are unchecked. The little pull down menu that says Auto, Auto Triplet, and Fixed is unchecked and trying the different options didn't do anything.

"Edge Edit Copy" is checked in the mini-menu.

In the Fade window in the Audio Menu I played around with the numbers in "# of msec before splice" and "#msec after splice" but that didn't do anything. Also "Update Existing Fades" is checked in that window.

I usually don't do such long cross-fades, but need some on this project for a weird musical effect..

I have an easy workaround, which is just to use two tracks and draw a fade-out into one and fade-in into the other, but it is weird?

I keep thinking there is some bizarre preference hidden somewhere that I don't know about and is doing this, but I've run out of ideas?

Always, thanks to everyone who took the kind time and energy to reply to me yesterday evening!

I appreciate it very much!

[mikehalloran]

I have an easy workaround, which is just to use two tracks and draw a fade-out into one and fade-in into the other, but it is weird?

I had to do this once a long time ago on a really long crossfade—don’t even recall what version of DP. Nothing else worked. I had forgotten about that till just now.

[JSmith1234567]

I have an easy workaround, which is just to use two tracks and draw a fade-out into one and fade-in into the other, but it is weird?

I had to do this once a long time ago on a really long crossfade—don’t even recall what version of DP. Nothing else worked. I had forgotten about that till just now.

Hey thanks! That makes me feel better, like I am not totally imagining things!

[JSmith1234567]

All those of you old enough to remember Gilda Radner as Emily Litella on Saturday Night Live???.....

Playing around with this a little bit more before knuckling down to a morning of actual music work, things are now working for me?

I can't honestly figure why, though, as I didn't really change anything.

The only thing I can figure is there may be some hidden fade or crossfade I can't see (but might still be there) that would have interfered with the long cross-fade I'm trying to do?

I was dragging audio up and down between the two test tracks to make sure there was enough length (as suggested) on either side of the cross-point, and making sure there were not hidden fades on the individual tracks by just grabbing the end of each piece of audio and using the mouse drag to make sure there weren't any.