Digital Performer 5 is AWSOME!

qo · Post by qo » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:19 pm

mhschmieder wrote: In practice, it is not this tight/closed

Didn't see this part of your post. I'd agree with this.

Kubi · Post by **Kubi** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:53 pm

NAMM as this big secret insider show? That's rich...

That's why they have press passes, right?

Sorry, but that was indeed funny!

mhschmieder · Post by **mhschmieder** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:51 am

Where is your evidence to contradict the pledge of non-disclosure that goes along with being a NAMM member and receiving a badge to enter the show?

Anyway, back to DP5, the new Track Folders feature is a welcome addition that will make it easier for working with string libraries, or even for just linking separate tracks for verse vocals and chorus vocals for quick export.

The meter bridge is very well designed. My only nervousness is whether a less powerful machine like mine would be brought to its knees by all the graphics redraws, if using it while tracking.

The six virtual instruments might not end up being used much by more experienced users, who probably have better options in each case, but for new users or novices, this feature was probably essential for keeping DP competitive against Logic and GarageBand (if not Cubase/Nuendo).

I welcome them myself, as I haven't done much yet in the way of virtual instruments, and this gives me a way to start working that way and see how well I adapt to that style of work as well as whether I would want to invest in more expensive options (for drums, e.g.).

It seems hard to believe that people are complaining that there will be an upgrade fee for DP 5.0, with all that it delivers, and after MOTU handed us a major release for free just this past summer in the form of DP 4.6.

qo · Post by qo » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:18 pm

mhschmieder wrote:It seems hard to believe that people are complaining that there will be an upgrade fee for DP 5.0, with all that it delivers, and after MOTU handed us a major release for free just this past summer in the form of DP 4.6.

Agree. Indeed, for me, the 4.6 upgrade was more interesting than the 5.0 upgrade.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:16 pm

qo wrote:
mhschmieder wrote:NAMM is not open to the general public.
There are "private" showings at NAMM though. Perhaps that's what you meant. But, the show floor? I'd be surprised if any vendors treated it as anything other than a public event.

Your right allen and it's the only FB we would ever get from MOTU. They don't tell us ••••. It's all private, inhouse, corporate BS.

I'm surprised when I hear someone was replied to from this board on an issue let alone a future feature they are workin on. This to me is nonsense and rubs me wrong.

Even UA will tell you they're workin on a fix and they publish it online.

Why we have to lean in and listen for a bone thrown at us from NAMM is puzzeling at best and makes me think they don't have any respect for us.(period)

Well. This is the gripe section, right?

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:03 am

Gripe On. LOL

I remember all these gripes whan I was a digi user. LOL Automatic redial on the telephone was a wonderful thing, hit the button twice and wait. Watch a movie, LOL make the client wait, etc.....

Kubi · Post by **Kubi** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:43 pm

mhschmieder wrote:Where is your evidence to contradict the pledge of non-disclosure that goes along with being a NAMM member and receiving a badge to enter the show?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you...

musnoz · Post by **musnoz** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:51 am

What about Quickscribe ?

I suppose I'm not the only one to be interested for improvements in the poor score editor••¦

Anyone pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase

musnoz · Post by **musnoz** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:49 am

So I understand that I am the only one

Kubi · Post by **Kubi** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:40 am

musnoz wrote:So I understand that I am the only one

Afraid so.

Quickscribe works well enough for quick parts etc. (That's why it's called "quick"scribe, I guess.) I did publish two scores directly from it last summer, and it worked surprisingly well.

But if I need anything deeper I use Finale, others use Sibelius. Looking at the depth of those programs, there's no way an audio sequencer could ever hope to match. So DP focuses on audio/MIDI production and provides merely quick and dirty notation features for that quick print-out. Makes perfect sense to me.

musnoz · Post by **musnoz** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:13 am

Kubi wrote:
musnoz wrote:So I understand that I am the only one

Afraid so.

Quickscribe works well enough for quick parts etc. (That's why it's called "quick"scribe, I guess.) I did publish two scores directly from it last summer, and it worked surprisingly well.

But if I need anything deeper I use Finale, others use Sibelius. Looking at the depth of those programs, there's no way an audio sequencer could ever hope to match. So DP focuses on audio/MIDI production and provides merely quick and dirty notation features for that quick print-out. Makes perfect sense to me.

Quickscribe is called like that because it can understand very quickly the rhythmes we play, even if we play them not very well (twisted tuplets, etc.)
I won't compare Finale and Sibelius with Quickscribe. But for me, there are missing features that are not so deep that we would have to use the big Finale or Sibelius••¦ clef changes, additive time signatures, all the tuplets, double whole note, 4 voices : all of this is part of an ordinary vocabulary of any music (and of any sequencer I'm afraid

)
Michel

tripit@earthlink.net · Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:47 pm

I'm in the same boat as PCM. Short of throwing my PT rig out the window, it never dies. I once did a huge track count session while in London with my powerbook strung up to 4 apogee 800's on an expansion rack slaved to a studer 24 track for 15 hours a day, over 3 months nonstop, and never so much as a reboot. Even during one orchestra session at Abby Road, I didn't have to sweat that a very expensive session might go south.
My current G5 is running DP and PT on digi HD3. DP which I love and use mostly for my filmscore, which I then omf to protools to hand in for the mix stage, runs for the most part (using DAE) but I've had some very serious crashes in the middle of sessions, one of which happened recently while the director and producer were sitiing in my studio. As I scrambled and tried everything I could think of, the director and producer were starting to freak out. We had a deadline for the sound stage early the next morning. I ended up recovering at 3am. It was a long a very stressful night.
But with that said, I wouldn't use any other program for scoring. DP is my favorite. I finally figured out that the problem I was having was directly related to DAE. DP was corrupting the prefs in certain conditions. Now that I know how and what was the cause, it's annoying, but not deadly.
One thing I've come to find is the same thing that PCM mentioned. The guidelines for DP are not as well defined as PT. I couldn't find anyone or any information to point out what was making my DP crash. It took a lot of experimenting to finally discover the problem.
It comes down to what you know and don't. It also comes down to what you have attached to your rig.

Which brings me to my next point. I hope like hell motu is making DP compatible with PT7. I've held off on PT7 because I have to be able to use DP.

miditime · Post by **miditime** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:25 pm

Ah-

EXTRA, EXTRA!!

DP USERS don't have to buy a faster MACS!!!!

At least until MOTU fixes the note off / sticking MIDI notes problem. (I've done all the fixes. Notes still stick. (Read all about them here at UnicorNation.com)

This wastes so much of my time, a faster MAC is just irrelevant.

And do you know the sticking notes are printed in the freeze tracks?

What a pleasant discovery when mastering a mix. (What is that sound????)

i.e. what version of the file do I go back to now?

One more reason I don't ever "flush" audio.

For me, maybe spare the new bells and whistles a little & instead, make DP5 rock solid.

DP has been on occasion in the past.

When it is, it's a real pleasure working on music & knowing any wierd problem is operator error & not some mythical anomaly invading my mix. idea.

Don't get me wrong - I love DP, But those sticking little notes!!!! AAGGGH!!!!

MOTUnation.com

Digital Performer 5 is AWSOME!

Quckscribe obsession

DP 4.61 - Sticking MIDI Notes? You Betcha.