"Copy Selection to New Sequence" and "Duplicate Track Layout" bugs.

[Michael Canavan]

So I rarely do this, but I went with "duplicate track Layout" and when I attempted to play the virtual instrument tracks, no sound. Opening the plug in if it has a virtual keyboard or drum pad etc. on the GUI, it makes sound, but all MIDI in and out of the instrument, from MIDI in the track to playing a controller keyboard at it, it doesn't work. This is also true with "Copy Selection to New Sequence". The only function that does work is vanilla "Duplicate Sequnce", in that case MIDI does work properly on the new consolidated instrument tracks.

Monterey, M1 Air, DP11.21 Sent in a Tech link, anyone else able to duplicate this bug?

[James Steele]

Not entirely sure what you did there. I don't use that much, but I wonder if it jacked up your bundles somehow and added duplicates that aren't actually properly assigned in the Bundles Window?

[Michael Canavan]

Not entirely sure what you did there. I don't use that much, but I wonder if it jacked up your bundles somehow and added duplicates that aren't actually properly assigned in the Bundles Window?

Thanks for the reply. Bundles aren't really a part of the equation for virtual instruments without multi out capabilities, so they don't really apply here.

So there are two different bugs here. Copy Selection to New Sequence ends up what looks like normal consolidated instrument tracks, but MIDI just will not pass through the track, you can open up the plug in and get sound out of it if it has a keyboard or pads that make sound, but MIID does not work to it. What does work is moving the selected tracks to a V-Rack, then MIDI works with that instrument etc. If you undo the move to V-Rack it's instant cash.

With Duplicate Track Layout it empties the instrument slot, the name is still there in the track but the instrument slot is blank in the Mixer. Obviously both are related, just different undesirable outcomes.

I haven't been putting things in V-Racks lately but I guess I'm back to that. Oh and of course I made a Tech Link for the bug.

[waterstrum]

I use the "Duplicate Track Layout" almost every day.
It works well.
It creates a new chunk with the same layout.
It doesn't copy VI's and plugins.
The slots are available but not filled.

I'm thinking you might be seeking "Duplicate Chunk".
This will give you all of the VI's and plugins.
It will also present all of the audio and MIDI tracks from the source chunk.
Easy to select and delete what you don't want and proceed.
It is the same canvas.

I haven't tried "Copy Selection to New Sequence", but I'm now curious about it.

[Michael Canavan]

I use the "Duplicate Track Layout" almost every day.
It works well.
It creates a new chunk with the same layout.
It doesn't copy VI's and plugins.
The slots are available but not filled.

Yeah that's not the behavior it's supposed to have, you've just become used to it.
It's supposed to copy the track layout including instruments without copying track data like audio, MIDI and CC's etc. in the timeline. Yes the workaround for this is to Duplicate Tracks, then erase the timeline data.

I haven't tried "Copy Selection to New Sequence", but I'm now curious about it.

Both of them are broken in the ways described above. MOTU is on it. They were able to replicate both bugs and say it will be fixed in the next update.

[waterstrum]

Thanks for the insight.
So glad you have picked up this torch!

I just looked at the DP manual, page 807 and it says...

"Duplicate Track Layout: Creates a new, empty
sequence with the same track layout as the
selected sequence. Select an existing sequence
before choosing this command."
Ambiguous to say the least, but works for me.

"Duplicate Sequence: Creates an exact copy of
the currently selected sequence."

In my usage, both of these are performing as described.
And yes, I have gotten used to it.

It would be great to have a 3rd choice to duplicate the chunk with all of the plugs and VIs and a blank slate for recording.

Thanks!

[bayswater]

It would be great to have a 3rd choice to duplicate the chunk with all of the plugs and VIs and a blank slate for recording.

Wouldn’t that be a template?

[James Steele]

It would be great to have a 3rd choice to duplicate the chunk with all of the plugs and VIs and a blank slate for recording.

Wouldn’t that be a template?

Yeah... and I suppose if you had a project saved that way, you could maybe use "Load..." to pull the "blank slate" chunk into an existing project as needed?

[waterstrum]

Sorry for my bad communication skills.
I use templates often and enjoy the functionality.
I also use the load command.
These are not what I'm seeking.

In fact, if MOTU does fix the Duplicate Track Layout command as you have suggested, that would be great!

I love your suggestion of having a Duplicate Track Layout command that would also copy the VIs and plugins, but with no MIDI or audio data. I hope MOTU does implement this... fixing the bug.

Just to be sure... I'm talking about the mini menu in the tracks window where you can add new sequences and switch to other sequences.
I'm just trying to say that I don't think the Duplicate Track Layout command is faulty in its current implementation.
I'd like to retain that functionality, as another command if need be.

In one case, I'm using multiple chunks within a project for audio recording.
Latest example... 19 chunks for a VO project recording two people.
They wanted separate files for each of the subject areas.

When they wanted to add a new subject, I would use the Duplicate Track Layout command and it would add a chunk with the same layout and assignments.
On the fly, I could record them with ease.
Perfect!
Made it easy to quickly shift between the various subjects.
Also, easy to mix and bounce.

So, I guess, I'd like to have 3 possibilities in the mini menu...
Duplicate Track Layout (just the layout) (the way it works now)
Duplicate Track Layout with VIs and plugs (no MIDI or audio data in the tracks) (the way you think it should work)
Duplicate Chunk (the whole enchilada)

I hope this makes sense.
Thanks!

[mhschmieder]

Although MOTU is addressing the noted bugs, a lot of unusual behavior I've been experiencing lately is correctable by going to the Region Menu and clicking on "Unpack Clips". It seems that a lot of stuff now automatically gets converted to Clips and doesn't react well to atomic actions until unpacked. Some of what you described sounds related to that.

Luckily, Clips are rendered differently, so you can quickly identify them by their curved corners in Tracks and Sequence Views.

One of the most bizarre things I saw last night was semi-chaotic and incomplete results of Split Notes, until I noticed I needed to Unpack Clips. But I have had similar issues with various Duplicate commands.

[James Steele]

I also use the load command.
These are not what I'm seeking.

Understood. Was just trying to think of a viable workaround for now.