How to mess up your audio bundles in under 250 ms...

[FMiguelez]

Have your DP session opened. Turn on (or off) your MIDI interface: Bam! Instant bundles mess!

And I'm not talking about only the MIDI assignments section; I'm talking about unrelated audio bus assignments in the busses section of the Bundles window. They ALL become a monstrosity (stereo bus 145-146 magically becomes mono bus 32, etc).

Then, if you have hundreds of bundles, you must spend 10-15 minutes double-clicking on little tiles to fix them. And may Tlaloc help you if your bundles weren't tidy and in a strict ascending order relative to the tracks (else you won't have a way to rebuild them as they were)... Fun!

I'm using a MIDI TIme Piece AV USB connected to a USB2 hub.

Can anyone try to falsify this in your system please?

Thanks!

[James Steele]

I think this may have happened to me last night. I was trying to troubleshoot some problems with routing in MOTU Pro Audio control and rebooted my 828es while DP was running. I *think* it changed some of my bundle assignments but not 100% sure. Fortunately it was a small project and wasn’t to difficult to fix in the Bundles window. I’ll have to investigate more.

[mikehalloran]

When I really, really really mes things up…

https://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64689

[mhschmieder]

Yeah, I seem to recently be getting more of these anomalies as well, especially if opening an older project that had been shelved for a couple of years or more. I get all these weird reassignments or duplicate bundles.

I have changed interfaces three times in the past three years, once as a temporary stand-in while working in North Carolina with most of my stuff still back in California, and then again when I decided to switch to "fewer mics" for most recording situations and went from RME Fireface UFX to RME Babyface Pro FS.

Indeed, if the USB cable had wiggled a bit loose and I remedy that issue mid-session, it can make for some unpleasant con fusion of audio bundles as well.

I'm just glad DP honors user edits to audio assignments. My Logic Pro app, even with recent updates, is permanently giving errors on not being able to find my now-sold RME Fireface UFX, no matter how many places I look (including macOS level Audio/MIDI Setup) for hidden remnants and/or missing re-assignments to the Babyface.

Even so, it's a pain and very time-consuming, to reassign so many things in a project, especially if one starts doing so before noticing yet another corruption of the Audio Bundles. It can also be difficult to guess what they are, when they are redundant entries with the same name.

I don't have a timekeeper with enough precision to know whether my own Audio Bundles snafus have taken 250 ms or less to manifest.

[bayswater]

Duplicates come when you have bundles, and then add something that has the same bundles. Might happen for other reasons too. My only solution has been to save the bundles I want to use, and the load them in, using the option to replace rather than merge them.

[waterstrum]

Hey FM,

Thanks for the warning!
Are you saying that importing your saved bundle didn't work?
Or that you didn't save/export the bundle?
Then you would have to start from scratch.

Creating the bundles in the first place is time consuming and tedious.

Having them corrupted, mid-session sounds like a nightmare.
That shouldn't happen, but it sounds like it is becoming more common.

I do save/export my bundles and have upon occasion recalled/imported them with no problem.
Is this functionality in doubt?

Hope you got it sorted.

[EMRR]

I’m finding in transitioning to a new computer using the same 16A interface that bundles are frequently blown up, and the damage is done once the project is open, importing the correct bundles fixes nothing. Most egregious is going through send assignments one at a time.