hello all,
Newbie questions..... here goes.
I built a PC to run my motu 2408MK2. I'm about to run the computer for the first time, and now i'm reading that the 324 is not compatible with any PC that uses DDR memory. What to do? I see the upgrade is available, but I got the MOTU off of ebay and I am almost positive it has been registered by the original owner. I'm trying to get the 424 elsewhere, but thus far i've turned up nothing. help?
The Pc I built has a Pentium 4 3.06ghz with HT, 2gb DDR ram, a 160GB 7200rpm main HD, and an MSI micro-atx mainboard.
any advice? Many thanks!
-Jay
324 PCI card need advice
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Jay,
I can't see it hurting anything. I'd go ahead and try it, as well as any tweaks or changes you can think of or find. If it seems to work, just be on the safe side, and run an excessive amount of simultaneous test tracks for a long period of time (ideally with material you can hear noises in). I've had weird "dropped sample" type problems, which only occurred on some tracks or not for a while.
If you haven't already, you may want to scan some non-MOTU hardware forums. There used to be a few hefty setups in the Nuendo one, and probably more in Cubase. I think André (Maq) Maquera and Steve (Bullmoon) both used to run them. Problem is, I think the original Steinberg forum archives were replaced during a system/website upgrade not too long ago, and that's where most of the 324 stuff would be.
It's beginning to look like some of the MOTU issues are "all or nothing" from rig to rig. I just scanned there to try to find a 324 DDR post, and surprisingly ran across a couple people with parallel MIDI boxes under XP! It could be that their test team or in-house test systems don't cover enough bases, or there's maybe even some differences in circuitry or firmware which nobody's talking about. Some of the known incompatibilities could just be to prevent a flood of support calls, after they've heard from, or witnessed two or three such systems which didn't work.
It's worth a try. You might get lucky.
George
I can't see it hurting anything. I'd go ahead and try it, as well as any tweaks or changes you can think of or find. If it seems to work, just be on the safe side, and run an excessive amount of simultaneous test tracks for a long period of time (ideally with material you can hear noises in). I've had weird "dropped sample" type problems, which only occurred on some tracks or not for a while.
If you haven't already, you may want to scan some non-MOTU hardware forums. There used to be a few hefty setups in the Nuendo one, and probably more in Cubase. I think André (Maq) Maquera and Steve (Bullmoon) both used to run them. Problem is, I think the original Steinberg forum archives were replaced during a system/website upgrade not too long ago, and that's where most of the 324 stuff would be.
It's beginning to look like some of the MOTU issues are "all or nothing" from rig to rig. I just scanned there to try to find a 324 DDR post, and surprisingly ran across a couple people with parallel MIDI boxes under XP! It could be that their test team or in-house test systems don't cover enough bases, or there's maybe even some differences in circuitry or firmware which nobody's talking about. Some of the known incompatibilities could just be to prevent a flood of support calls, after they've heard from, or witnessed two or three such systems which didn't work.
It's worth a try. You might get lucky.
George
Well, I have a P4 box I built for GigaStudio with HT, DDR RAM and a PCI-324 attached to a 1224. Aside from having to boot XP first and then turn on the 1224 (to load the drivers after XP loads to avoid a potential blue screen related to MOTU's flaky XP drivers), it works pretty well.
I'm not sure about MOTU's "advice" sometimes. I was also told that the 324 would not work under OSX and it's been fine. In fact, it is in there because the 424 caused kernel panics in my G4.
go figure,
Wayne
I'm not sure about MOTU's "advice" sometimes. I was also told that the 324 would not work under OSX and it's been fine. In fact, it is in there because the 424 caused kernel panics in my G4.
go figure,
Wayne
DP 5.13, Reason 5, Logic 9, Melodyne 3, Live 7, Cubase 4.5, OS 10.5.8 on main desktop, 10.6.3 on laptop. Old analog gear, synths and guitars and heat-belching transformers and tubes.
Same deal I mentioned.markwayne wrote:I'm not sure about MOTU's "advice" sometimes. I was also told that the 324 would not work under OSX and it's been fine.
I guess it's understandable as a safety measure, but it would seem if you got three or four calls about a certain config., the usual solution would probably be to look into what's causing it and try to fix it. That OSX thing is surprising. I would've thought that would be more of a priority for them.
I would guess the DDR would be more likely to cause errors and screw things up, than to keep stuff from being detected.
Jay, I guess by the driver and the PCI being in, you mean they're listed in the device manager too? Not having them detected is a pretty common post here. I might not immediately suspect the memory.
I still think there may be Cubase or Nuendo people who have run that. DDR's been here a while.
Take Care,
George
This might be somewhat relevant:
I'm running an AMD w/ VIA KT600 chipset. My 1224/324PCI does not function on this machine. It DOES function on my house internet buggy, a PIII.
I've tried every 'fix' I can find, including rifling the BIOS... I have heard of some "March Drivers", that are supposed to be significant. How does one come by those?
Otherwise, I'm going to have to sell this unit, find something else.
Thanks for reading.
I'm running an AMD w/ VIA KT600 chipset. My 1224/324PCI does not function on this machine. It DOES function on my house internet buggy, a PIII.
I've tried every 'fix' I can find, including rifling the BIOS... I have heard of some "March Drivers", that are supposed to be significant. How does one come by those?
Otherwise, I'm going to have to sell this unit, find something else.
Thanks for reading.
"Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it".
The famous "March Drivers" solved my unusably crackly 2408 MkII + PCI324's problems - used with a PC powered by an AMD XP-M 2600+ (Barton), 1Gig of PC3200 DDR RAM on an MSI 745Ultra (off the top of my head - so many numbers! 
)
A very helpful forum member has made them available from http://www.cheap-tracks.com/misc/old_mo ... _26_02.zip
MOTU should really make these available from their downloads area - I wasted hours on IRQs and PCI latency before I found out about the problems with the drivers.
Jon
)A very helpful forum member has made them available from http://www.cheap-tracks.com/misc/old_mo ... _26_02.zip
MOTU should really make these available from their downloads area - I wasted hours on IRQs and PCI latency before I found out about the problems with the drivers.
Jon
My MSI 745 Ultra motherboard (mainboard) has an SIS 745 chipset. Its getting a little long in the tooth now, but you could probably find one on eBay - I don't think that it would support your CPU though.
Here's my system spec (from memory):
MSI 745 Ultra Motherboard
AMD XP-M 2600+ (mobile CPU, Barton cored - very cool running, so quiet).
1 Gb Crucial PC3200 (or maybe PC2700?) DDR RAM
Matrox G550 Video Card (w/ dual Samsung 753S monitors)
2 x 80Gb Seagate 7200rpm IDE hard drives
Lite-on Dual Layer DVD Burner
MOTU PCI 324 (and 2408 mkII) (in slot 2, see http://www.rhcf.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb. ... 7/92.html?)
MOTU Micro Express (parallel) MIDI interface
Behringer BCF2000
Zalman CNPS7000B CPU Cooler
Antec Sonata Case (& Power Supply)
Microsoft Multimedia keyboard
Logitech Marble Mouse
Windows XP Pro SP1 (very heavily tweaked, see http://www.absdigital.co.uk/dloads/XPdawTweaks.htm, and http://web.archive.org/web/200411280228 ... tweaks.htm.)
I think that's everything that I have in, or directly connected to, the PC
I've never had a PC with a Via chipset, but have obviously heard of some of the problems with older Via chipsets and audio cards in general. If it's a newer motherboard I would definitely try the drivers though - the current drivers mainly create problems with newer motherboards I think. I was starting to consider a different motherboard and/or a different audio interface before I tried them too!
Here's my system spec (from memory):
MSI 745 Ultra Motherboard
AMD XP-M 2600+ (mobile CPU, Barton cored - very cool running, so quiet).
1 Gb Crucial PC3200 (or maybe PC2700?) DDR RAM
Matrox G550 Video Card (w/ dual Samsung 753S monitors)
2 x 80Gb Seagate 7200rpm IDE hard drives
Lite-on Dual Layer DVD Burner
MOTU PCI 324 (and 2408 mkII) (in slot 2, see http://www.rhcf.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb. ... 7/92.html?)
MOTU Micro Express (parallel) MIDI interface
Behringer BCF2000
Zalman CNPS7000B CPU Cooler
Antec Sonata Case (& Power Supply)
Microsoft Multimedia keyboard
Logitech Marble Mouse
Windows XP Pro SP1 (very heavily tweaked, see http://www.absdigital.co.uk/dloads/XPdawTweaks.htm, and http://web.archive.org/web/200411280228 ... tweaks.htm.)
I think that's everything that I have in, or directly connected to, the PC
I've never had a PC with a Via chipset, but have obviously heard of some of the problems with older Via chipsets and audio cards in general. If it's a newer motherboard I would definitely try the drivers though - the current drivers mainly create problems with newer motherboards I think. I was starting to consider a different motherboard and/or a different audio interface before I tried them too!
I'm trying them tonight- I just got in from worrrrrrrk. Thanks for your specs- I'm into collecting specs these days... I will post the results of the March Driver Test. And if they don't do the trick, I'm going to re-vamp the PC, perhaps trade for a P4.
Cool, thanks again. I'll be back.
Cool, thanks again. I'll be back.
"Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it".
I'm messing with this right now: I un-installed the previous MOTU drivers (324), and installed the March Drivers. There is now an exclamation point next to MOTU Wave Driver in Device Manager. Also, in the Readme it says there is no "Wizard":
Should I re-install and leave in the previous 324 Driver, and then install the March Driver?
I'm going to try that...
Should I re-install and leave in the previous 324 Driver, and then install the March Driver?
I'm going to try that...
"Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it".
Prognosis so far: No deal with the 324
I've tried several ways of loading the drivers, and the 1224 is not being recognized in the software. It appears final that the VIA KT600-8235 (KT400A with VT8235 Southbridge) is not going to be able to carry the 324 PCI card.
So it's probably going to be "Sell". See you on ebay.
Thanks for everything, folks, JohnS. Peace.
So it's probably going to be "Sell". See you on ebay.
Thanks for everything, folks, JohnS. Peace.
"Whatever we do, it is what it is, and we do it".
The best PC System To run 2408MKone 324 PCI and MTPAV.
I have an old 2408 MKI With 324 PCI
and a MTP AV port serie.
I use that long time ago...... with a G4 400
I see a forum talking about this probleme
Some body can tell what is the best computer PC to run the two
interface.
I have now a G5 1.8 Dual With DP 4.6.1
And I would like to run a PC with some VST Plug
Thanks
and a MTP AV port serie.
I use that long time ago...... with a G4 400
I see a forum talking about this probleme
Some body can tell what is the best computer PC to run the two
interface.
I have now a G5 1.8 Dual With DP 4.6.1
And I would like to run a PC with some VST Plug
Thanks
Sloom:
Did you remember to uninstall the hardware as well as the software? (i.e. uninstall drivers, shut down, uninstall PCI324 card, install March drivers, shut down, install PCI324 card, boot up).
If so, it looks like you're out of luck with the 1224
Good luck on eBay.
p.pan:
My PC would probably work fine with that MOTU gear (see my spec above), but it's getting a little old now - if you're after a new system someone else should be able to advise you better.
Jon
Did you remember to uninstall the hardware as well as the software? (i.e. uninstall drivers, shut down, uninstall PCI324 card, install March drivers, shut down, install PCI324 card, boot up).
If so, it looks like you're out of luck with the 1224
Good luck on eBay.
p.pan:
My PC would probably work fine with that MOTU gear (see my spec above), but it's getting a little old now - if you're after a new system someone else should be able to advise you better.
Jon