CueMix

ComposerDan · Post by **ComposerDan** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:47 am

Hi all: Can anyone tell me just what CueMix is and how it works? I am running my DP with a Motu 828. I am having a hard time figuring out how to route things so that my singer can hear everything in the headset and not be over powering or underneath the mix. I do have a Peavy outboard 8 channel mixer. Can someone tell me how to route things? Also I am using a micro lite MIDI interface for my MIDI tracks that I also want those tracks heard by the singer.

Thanks alot

Dan Taylor

JohanBlome · Post by **JohanBlome** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:59 am

1) You choose a mixtab out of the 4 available and rasing the input from the singer and choose an output pair i.e. channel 3-4.
2) The you route the output from you soundapp to the same output as you have chosen in cuemix and match levels to your liking.
/Johan

ComposerDan · Post by **ComposerDan** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:17 am

What do you mean when you say sound application? Are you talking about Digital Performer or my Motif keyboard or what? Sorry I don't quite understand what you are talking about. If you could give me easy step by step directions on how to do this I would greatly appreciate it very much.

Thanks

Dan

ComposerDan · Post by **ComposerDan** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:27 am

I can't find anywhere in DP where it says anything about mixtab.

Thanks

Dan

JohanBlome · Post by **JohanBlome** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:14 am

OK. I do not use DP so this may be different in your setup.

Let us say I want to record some vocals over some background tracks in my DAW program (in my case it is Samplitude).

1) I start the cuemix application which is a program from MOTU communicating directly to the hw. The cuemix looks like very basic mixer with 4 layers (these are the mixtabs I was refering to). In each tab I can bring up faders from inputs on my hw and send this mix to any output pair.

I have my headphonemix on output 5-6 so I choose mixtab 2 (I use the first for my own mix at mixposition) and push the vocal fader up.

2) In samplitude I can do thing in many ways but usually I create a auxbus and send tracks to it. The auxtrack is routed to the same output as my cuemix output.

This is how I do it (I also use one mixtab to send fx to hw reverbs) but you could also do the monitoring without cuemix inside your DAW using small buffers and fx monitoring - I like playing safe though.

Hope this makes it more clear!
/Johan

ComposerDan · Post by **ComposerDan** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:28 am

I'm sorry for being stupid. I have been using MIDI for many years but this Cue Mix thing is new to me. What is HW? Is DAW my Digital Performer? What are you plugging your headset into to do this? Are you plugging it into the Audio interface? Also, In DP are you saying that I need to send my MIDI tracks out on certain channels like Aux etc? After all this is done, what advantage does it give you? Does this eliminate the need for an outboard mixer?
Right now I have a Motif 8 keyboard, small Peavey Mixer, The Motu 828 interface and I am having trouble getting my singer to hear a good mix with her head set. She can't hear herself in the mix at all. I also have a little digital 8 recorder that when I send everything to that and put it in record mode that seems to work, but I would like to get it completely out of the loop.

Thanks

Dan

JohanBlome · Post by **JohanBlome** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:08 am

OK, sorry for not being able to expalin things more clearly
- hw means "hardware" i.e. MOTU 828, Traveler etc
- DAW is you recording program i.e. Digital Performer.

My suggestions can be done without an outboard mixer. If you have an outboard mixer then there is many more options which will be dependant on how you use the mixer and the feauture set.

Do you record from "direct outs" on the mixer (or the inserts)?
Do you use any headphone distribution or is the singer directly besides you and your mixer?
Does the mixer have a headphone out you could use?

As you see there are many variables - perhaps you could check the diagrams in the MOTU manual and the Peavey manual? Could be easier with the pictures I imagine every manufacturer have in their manuals. Or you could find someone near you who could help you with the setup?

There are some basic things that you need to understand in order to make this work - check some books on recording basics and read about submixes and aux-busses.
/Johan

ComposerDan · Post by **ComposerDan** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:34 am

The Peavy doesn't have a headphone jack. The singer stands next to me.( Just a one room studio) This is how I have been recording.

For MIDI: I have a Motif 8 and I come out of it right and left and go into the Peavy on line in put channel 1 and 2. After I have all MIDI the way I want it, I then take out the line input from the Peavy (Coming from the Motif) and patch them into the input of my MOTU 828 (first version) and setup a stereo track in DP and record them in Audio format. I have been trying to have my singers headset plugged into the 828 headphone jack but as I remember, she has not been able to hear herself doing it that way. I have her mic going straight into the 828 mic input as well. What I would like to do it have her be able to hear the MIDI tracks and her mic before everything is turned to audio. Ya see, I am working with a PowerBook G4 and I don't get very many tracks on audio before I start having problems. This is why I am wanting to leave the soundtrack as MIDI for as long as I can. Because of this, I was routing everything from the Peavy into this little 8 track Fostex and putting the headset into that but it's not the greatest way to do things. I was going into the 828 with her mic and then coming back out ot the 828 to the peavy then to the Fostex. If you have any other suggestions that would help I would really appreciate it very much and thanks so much for being willing to give me some of your time and expertise.

Sincerely

Dan
taylor777@verizon.net

Pappy725 · Post by **Pappy725** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:12 am

Is this an original 828? I don't think Cue Mix works with the original, just the mkII. I guess if you can see the inputs from your 828 when you start Cue Mix, it does work. There should be a way to set the output so you can monitor all of the tracks, though even if it doesn't work.
Stephen

Couldn't you go straight from the 828 to the Fostex? The headphone out of the 828 should give you some monitoring ability that way. My lcd is out on my mkII but there is a way to configure the mixes on the unit without Cue Mix.
HTH, Stephen

Pappy725 · Post by **Pappy725** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:29 am

Here's another idea from MOTU's tech support pages:
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... 9885427575

ComposerDan · Post by **ComposerDan** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:39 am

It is the original 828 but I thought I read where that would work.