mach 5 II still not yet

Flare · Post by **Flare** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:59 am

Anyone's who's saying that they're using Machfive "flawlessly" is a TOTAL surface user. Period. Hardcore sample importation and extensive editting that you'd expect to be able to perform cause excessive "GLARIFICATIONS" as I call them.

Here's a simple one...
Try assigning a forward fade loop with a random crossfade amount on a given sample in a given program... Save the program. Now load up another preset with a one shot, and assign a loop (forward crossfade)... Then try and save that edit. BZZZZZZT... Nope. Error on the save. I've encountered this bug on 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4.x. Emailed Motu months ago... No word on a fix.

Dragging and dropping into M5 is buggy as a congo jungle on a rainy day. The list is long. I'll absolutely concur that for "simple" playback and simple edits (tweaks), M5 is pretty damn stable... But before you (anyone) tries to come off saying it works perfectly, try importing a bunch of samples, and really put M5 through its paces. I'm only speaking from experience, with regard to deep editting in wav and preset capacity on the engine. It's a glitchfest.

People are pissed off for a reason; Motu/USB/Whoever seemingly abandoned efforts to properly remedy the M5v1 myriad of problems hardcore sampling musicians have been having.

russhughes · Post by **russhughes** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:03 am

Flare wrote:Anyone's who's saying that they're using Machfive "flawlessly" is a TOTAL surface user. Period.

You have obviously read the book 'How To Win Friends and Influence People'

Whilst we appreciate and agree with you concerns perhaps this comment wasn't the best way of endearing yourself to the rest of us.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:36 am

russhughes wrote:
bongo_x wrote:well I bought vers 1 only a few months ago because I had a friend who used it and I had read that vers 2 was coming out any minute. in fact I thought there was something that said "buy it now because vers 2 is coming out any minute" or words to that effect. the fact that I bought DP right around that time probably had something to do with it too.

it does worry me a bit that I may have made the wrong choice. it works great and I'm happy with it, but these things are an investment of not only money, but time also.

bb
MOTU have promised a free upgrade to those who bought the original version in the announcment period. If any of us are still alive by then!

I would guess the upgrade is free, but it prbably needs a new dongle. That'll be $149 please...

russhughes · Post by **russhughes** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:14 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I would guess the upgrade is free, but it prbably needs a new dongle. That'll be $149 please...

I think you are being unduly cynical - $129.95 for the dongle and $50 for the new manual.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:21 am

russhughes wrote:
MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I would guess the upgrade is free, but it prbably needs a new dongle. That'll be $149 please...
I think you are being unduly cynical - $129.95 for the dongle and $50 for the new manual.

I don't need no stinkin' manual! I know I can fool the guys on this forum into thinking I have the manual. Says right here in Chapter 1168, Verse 12, Line 403(b):

"let he who is without the manual cast the first question. And he shall not provide any system information as Satin will sure smithe his RAM and freeze his mouse! And the iLok shall rule the face of the DAW" (that last word was a misprint - I think it should have been DAWN.

But I am not a religious man

sunsinger · Post by **sunsinger** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:58 am

russhughes wrote:Sunsinger whilst I agree that the story of v2.0 has been a bit of a nightmare, I haven't experienced any of these issues in PTs and I'm a serious user of ProTools.

I'm a pretty serious Pro Tools user too... PT 7.1cs3, HD 2-192 I/O-Sync I/O using Pro Tools to edit Sound FX and Mix sound stems for film, record music scores, bands, and output Albums for clients like Robbie Roberston since 1995- And I still have the problems I mentioned in my post...

russhughes wrote:Never had a problem with the supplied samples loading

I know, there are always folks that come on these forums that "never had a problem" with any of the software that the forum is touting. Still, these problems are real for me. I have installed Mach Five on a total of 3 different computers over the last several years, using at least 6 different OSX systems and updates, with fresh installs of M5 off of the disk, and re-installing the library that came with M5 after formatting the disk that the MachFive folder resides on,,, and Oh Boy!!!- the same problems re-emerge. So there must be something wrong with my system... Right???

sunsinger wrote: MachFive will crash pretty much at the drop of a hat in Pro Tools.
I cannot drag samples into the sample edit window, when I try to do this, I get multiple drawings of the GUI in my window, and frankly dont know which of the GUI images to drag the sample into. And then Pro Tools will crash. And I have no real way to import Samples except to make a folder with edited samples to import.

russhughes wrote:Drag and drop works just fine too, never seen this issue.

Tried again just last night after reading your reply to my post, and...it still crashes when I try to drag & drop,,, Want my crash log???

sunsinger wrote:In fact there is no single greater cause of Pro Tools crashing that I have experienced as MachFive. It should not be sold as a Sampler, but as a Pro Tools crashing utility.

I still believe this is true....

russhughes wrote:Again never crashed PT's, whereas other plugins like Stylus have.

You must work for Motu...

russhughes wrote: so my money is still with MOTU despite the problems.

Mine is too, I can't afford to buy every sampler out there until I find one that works.

russhughes wrote:However your experience of using it sounds like a nightmare. Post your system info and the versions of Protools and MachFive you are using and we'll see if we can get to the bottom of your problems with you.

OK, how do you propose we do this?

Sunsinger

meeloo · Post by **meeloo** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:08 am

sunsinger wrote:Tried again just last night after reading your reply to my post, and...it still crashes when I try to drag & drop,,, Want my crash log???

Actually that kind of info would probably help the developpers find and fix the issue you're encountering.
I once was told "When in doubt, always provide a system info file and the crash report."

My 0.02 euros.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:24 am

meeloo wrote:My 0.02 euros.

Actually, that would be 0.01654 Euro at today's rate. You neeed to add a 1.98346 Euro word to make up the difference, unless you bought M5 in Copenhagen.

russhughes · Post by **russhughes** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:57 am

sunsinger wrote: I'm a pretty serious Pro Tools user too... PT 7.1cs3, HD 2-192 I/O-Sync I/O using Pro Tools to edit Sound FX and Mix sound stems for film, record music scores, bands, and output Albums for clients like Robbie Roberston since 1995- And I still have the problems I mentioned in my post...

No one was suggesting you weren't

Anyway before any rocks get thrown around can you update us with your full system spec on your Mac, including OS etc. Also your PT sytem spec and any plugins, other background software that's running. I know you said this had happened on several systems, but let's try and eliminate as much as we can. Also what version of MachFive are you using? Also I assume if you have cs3 that you have done all the Digi side of trouble shooting. I know this may seem a bit obvious, but you say this has happened on several different systems, have you ever tried another copy of MachFive.

All these questions are here to help you, so please bear with us as we try and get to the bottom of what it could be, even if you think the questions are stating the obvious, non of them are implying you are stupid we are just convering all the bases.

russhughes · Post by **russhughes** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:04 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:
meeloo wrote:My 0.02 euros.
Actually, that would be 0.01654 Euro at today's rate. You neeed to add a 1.98346 Euro word to make up the difference, unless you bought M5 in Copenhagen.

MIDI - You must have smoked some really bad stuff in your time!

That might get bounced too, it's getting a bit intense in here recently with disclaimers about every possible way to offend others in the forum, so you may never see this!

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:06 pm

russhughes wrote: MIDI - You must have smoked some really bad stuff in your time!

Well, maybe... but I love converting Euros to dollars

jimlongo · Post by **jimlongo** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:15 pm

I'm a PTs user too . . . not too serious though . . . I try to have fun.

sunsinger wrote: MachFive will crash pretty much at the drop of a hat in Pro Tools.
I cannot drag samples into the sample edit window, when I try to do this, I get multiple drawings of the GUI in my window, and frankly dont know which of the GUI images to drag the sample into. And then Pro Tools will crash. And I have no real way to import Samples except to make a folder with edited samples to import.

russhughes wrote:Drag and drop works just fine too, never seen this issue.

sunsinger wrote:In fact there is no single greater cause of Pro Tools crashing that I have experienced as MachFive. It should not be sold as a Sampler, but as a Pro Tools crashing utility.

My 2 years of experience is that drag and drop is hit or miss, depends on the files. i often have to batch convert sd2 files to .aiff or something to be able to import them at all.

I don't get the multiple windows, however the interface is very hard to read . . . but most plug-in instruments have that problem. Also drag and drop requires such file and finder gymnastics that I have to really get motivated to use it.

It has been (as stated) the most prone to crash PTs, in fact it is nearly the only such culprit. In fact every Kernel Panic I have ever had was when i had PTs running with MachFive loaded. That is until some Rewire issues with the latest version.

MachFive finally got useable when i went from a dual867 to a dual2.0G5, and the latest version of MachFive. Before that it was pretty feeble on the G4.

The drag and drop is still not there, but at least it works.

Wow, what a compliment, at least it works. After 2 or more years! That is the dissapointment that is MachFive.

I too do fx and sound design and would be really happy with something simple yet flexible like SampleCell. It wouldn't be much of a hit with the music crowd, but designers would flock to it. I hope that digi's wizoo purchase could maybe bear some fruit in this are.

MachFive . . . I don't know . . . even if it ever becomes solid (as in not vapor), I'm not sure of any of the UVI instruments could ever be basic enough, if you know what I mean.

HD2Accel 192 SYNC !/O DUAL 2.0G5 3GB RAM
PT7.1cs3 OX 10.4.4 MachFive 1.2.3

sunsinger · Post by **sunsinger** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:51 pm

OK then...

So I have the following system and softwares.

Mac Dual 2.0 G5 with 2.5 GB Ram-running 10.4.3
PT 7.1cs3
Motu Mach 5-update 1.2.3
Waves Platinum Bundle, Antares Auto Tune TDM and Filter, Korg Legacy Bundle, Arturia CS-80, Sound Toys Ultra Fx and EchoBoy TDM, FxPansions VST-RTAS wrapper and GURU, Ableton Live 5.0.3, Motu MIDI Xpress XT.
Digidesign Synchronic, DINR, and other stock plugins.
Safari 2.0 with broadband
Do you need anything else???

Sunsinger

Flare · Post by **Flare** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:43 pm

Hey Russ,

Since when was I doing anything but speaking the absolute truth? Endearing people to me?? Actually, your post was borderline rude and condescending. Are you in charge of this forum, or something??? If not, then perhaps you need to somehow grow another layer of skin to ward off taking my words so personally.

I'm a straight ahead (old and new school philosophies of music and technology) working professional in the music industry. I work on a rig consisting of M5 among other things. I have used M5 extensively, and know it inside and out. While it's an invaluable tool for sample playback (particularly for sound design), it takes a steaming sh*t when it comes to intensive sample level editting. Period...AGAIN. I stated a simple fact and ALOT of people in the world of music agree with me. What part of that precludes my right to say that people MISREPRESENTING that it works perfectly are full of donkey dust. It DOES NOT work perfectly. People who say so are not very familiar with the depth of Machfive if they actually believe it.

Yet, because I mention that, diplomatically, you have to wave some preverbial finger at me regarding "endearing" people to me. Newflash... This aint Match.com, Russ.

Rig...
G5 - Dual 2.5 (5G RAM)
2 x 3.2 P4 PC Sonica X Systems (2G RAM per/RAID 300's (Running Giga 3.04))
Mackie D8B, Apogee A/D/Clock (Big Ben, Rosetta 200), 2408mk3, Genelec 1030's, Avalon VT-737SP Mic Pre's (2)
DP 4.61, Peak 5.02, Recycle, UA, Waves Plat, Machfive, MX4, Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Leagacy Cell, Linn Plugs, VSL, SAM, Sonic Implants, EWQL Camel Audio, u-he, PSP, Ohmboyz

sunsinger · Post by **sunsinger** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:42 pm

Hey folks,
Here's a direct reply to a line that I dropped to MOTU technical services from "Magic Dave" I've been asking him about this update for months.

Enjoy the "Motu talking points"

MagicDave wrote:Mach Five is not Vaporware. Mach Five version 2 is certainly late. That does not mean it is not a priority for MOTU.

Anybody who purchased Mach Five after Jan 20, 2005 will receive the version 2 update for no charge. The current version 1.2.3 is a free update from the MOTU web site and is required for operation under OS 10.4.
If you are having technical problems with Mach Five, we can address that directly. Please provide details of your system and symptoms.

In the mean time when information regarding the version 2 update is available, we will post that to our web site. We are well aware of the customer demand for this update and we will make it available as soon as possible. The good news is that the update will be worth the wait. We very much appreciate your patience.

If I can be of further service, please let me know.

Dave Roberts - MOTU

This is virtually the same thing that Dave has said to me for 6 months...
You would think they would get tired of it and release the upgrade... But Hey...Here comes Ethno, (should be "Ethics"), and MX4 ver 2, and Symphonic, DP ver 5... Look at how much energy Motu has to develop new products... But it takes 2 years to get a simple sample player/editor right... And its still not done...

But.......................The................wait.................will.................be......................worth...................iiiiiiiiiiiiiit..................

Sunsinger

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