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Minor bug

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When I'm doing vocals, sometimes I redo a double vocal line but I forget to change tracks. I record it and then copy it and control z to get back to the start then paste the line I copied into the double track I meant to record it on, that is if I like the line. This worked fine in previous versions of DP but now it does not hold the copy of the line. It tries to past but never does.
I loose the line.
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Re: Minor bug

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Why not only record songs in major keys?

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Timeline wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:56 pm When I'm doing vocals, sometimes I redo a double vocal line but I forget to change tracks. I record it and then copy it and control z to get back to the start then paste the line I copied into the double track I meant to record it on, that is if I like the line. This worked fine in previous versions of DP but now it does not hold the copy of the line. It tries to past but never does.
I loose the line.
What is control-z assigned to in your set up? - my default DP commands were long ago altered. Regardless, are you saying this worked in DP10, but not DP11? DP10 messed with some of the modifiers, but I hadn't noticed anything different in 11.

FWIW the way I do this operation is select the soundbite that was recorded on the wrong track and then do 'Move Selection Down' (down arrow for me) to the track I meant to record on, and paste. ...ProTools has a Nudge Selection Down, which I desperately wish DP had, but that's another subject.
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Re: Minor bug

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I'm not sure. Could have happened when I moved to Mohave but I used the trick quite a bit. Seems like its a slow burn how we loose and gain attributes we commonly get used to over time. I guess that's called progress to some. I call it kind of unfortunate.
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Re: Minor bug

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I've used that fall-back method before, too.

I guess if you always have overdub on, you can drag the newly recorded soundbite downward into another track. But yea, it might be worth starting a ticket with MOTU on that one. I have to imagine that's a pretty typical workaround for at least some users.
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HCMarkus wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:43 pm Why not only record songs in major keys?
But then you'd be opening yourself up for a major bug. :roll:
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Timeline wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:23 am I'm not sure. Could have happened when I moved to Mohave but I used the trick quite a bit. Seems like its a slow burn how we loose and gain attributes we commonly get used to over time. I guess that's called progress to some. I call it kind of unfortunate.
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I'm still curious what command you had Control-z assigned to.
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Re: Minor bug

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Timeline wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:56 pmThis worked fine in previous versions of DP but now it does not hold the copy of the line. It tries to past but never does.
I loose the line.
Hmm. I tried to duplicate this but I couldn't. I think I followed your method exactly, but it pasted fine.

Is command-v working ok in other DP operations?

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Phil O wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:51 am
Timeline wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:56 pmThis worked fine in previous versions of DP but now it does not hold the copy of the line. It tries to past but never does.
I loose the line.
Hmm. I tried to duplicate this but I couldn't. I think I followed your method exactly, but it pasted fine.
Same here. Is this just a matter of not having Overdub turned on? If I turn it on and off I can get both of the two results you described. If this is a change from V10 to V11 so Overdub doesn’t work, then its a pretty serious bug, but surely others would have noticed?
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Re: Minor bug

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Overdub on or off makes no difference here. Command Z (or undo from menu) followed by Command V (or paste from menu) works fine in either mode.

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Phil O wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:08 pm Overdub on or off makes no difference here. Control Z (or undo from menu) followed by Control V (or paste from menu) works fine in either mode.
Huh? In Maclandia Command Z/V is undo/paste commonly. It sounds like he has Control Z setup for some sort of memory function?
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Re: Minor bug

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dix wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:19 pm
Phil O wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:08 pm Overdub on or off makes no difference here. Control Z (or undo from menu) followed by Control V (or paste from menu) works fine in either mode.
Huh? In Maclandia Command Z/V is undo/paste commonly. It sounds like he has Control Z setup for some sort of memory function?
Woops! :oops: I meant Command not Control. I see Timeline made the same mistake. I think he meant Comand as well. It would make sense for what he is doing (will edit my post). Thanks for the heads up dix.
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Re: Minor bug

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So, to be clear...
Timeline wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:56 pmI record it and then copy it and control z to get back to the start then paste the line I copied into the double track I meant to record it on, that is if I like the line. This worked fine in previous versions of DP but now it does not hold the copy of the line. It tries to past but never does.
I loose the line.
1 "record vocal double and then copy it" [copy the second soundbite with command C]
2 "control z to get back to the start" (I think you meant command z) [undo record on track with command Z]
3 "paste the line I copied into the double track I meant to record it on" [paste in second track with command V]

Do I have this right? Or did I totally misunderstand? :?
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Thats right Phil. If others have this working maybe its Mojave. I managed to install it on my 09 Mac. could be my issue.
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Re: Minor bug

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Timeline wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:48 am Thats right Phil. If others have this working maybe its Mojave. I managed to install it on my 09 Mac. could be my issue.
Oh! So in the OP when you said Control, you meant Command? That's very different. So you're just saying Undo is clearing the clipboard. Yeah, that's definitely not happening here. I'da noticed that on day one.
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