DP11 is here!

[dewdman42]

M1 owners are early adopters they need to live with the delays, I agree. The software makers are all trying to follow Apple's relentless changes as fast as they feasibly can. if you don't want to be stuck in limbo for a while, then run Intel and don't run the latest version of MacOS either.

I am personally not going to get an ARM Mac for at least a couple years for a variety of reasons, one of which is that I want every dang plugin I own to work on it without Rosetta, among numerous other things, not enough RAM yet, etc.. For me it will be AT LEAST 2023 before I will even be remotely considering Arm and probably more like 2024-25

[mikehalloran]

not enough RAM yet

Although we all like big numbers, I haven't heard of a single application where 16GB wasn't enough. Likewise on the 8 Core version, the GPU performance is stunning.

So, while I'm hoping for a proper replacement for my iPad Pro—and won't buy till it exist, my "must have" feature is 8TB storage onboard.

Having only 4TB on my 18 Core and having to swap projects in and out is a major inconvenience—with my 2TB 14 Core, it was a major pain. When the 2020 iMac came out with 8TB available, I waited for the iMP to receive a similar bump and didn't buy mine till it was clear that wasn't happening.

Till then, I'm fine with what I have and it will boot from a Mojave external for my remaining 32 bit app.

[dewdman42]

if you do orchestra templates, 16gb is not even close to enough. 32gb will be passable, 64gb much better. I'm personally holding out for 64gb. And why rush if more than half the software I use is not native ARM yet?

[mikehalloran]

if you do orchestra templates, 16gb is not even close to enough. 32gb will be passable, 64gb much better. I'm personally holding out for 64gb. And why rush if more than half the software I use is not native ARM yet?

Intel? Yes. I feel a little nekkid with 128GB but that's not what I'm hearing from those running huge projects including AV on Apple Silicon Macs. Everyone I talk to is hoping for 32GB so that these ARM Macs will be more future-proof.

I'm not discussing the software at all.

[bayswater]

DP11, costing $195 to "upgrade", runs poorly in self-forced Rosetta mode

It's not DP 11 that runs in Rosetta mode. It's the 3rd party plugins that haven't been updated.

[dewdman42]

its everything, there is lots of stuff yet to be updated before I will switch.

[gulliverity]

DP11, costing $195 to "upgrade", runs poorly in self-forced Rosetta mode

It's not DP 11 that runs in Rosetta mode. It's the 3rd party plugins that haven't been updated.

My point was that DP10.3 runs better in Rosetta mode than DP11, at least for the VSL plug-ins. So in this particular use case, the paid upgrade is not worth it.

That said, DP10, for me, runs wonderfully in Rosetta. I'm not really losing out on much other than Articulation Maps and MPE, which I would love to have.

Also, to address the other issue someone raised, due to the memory efficiency of AS, I am not finding 16GB limiting in running my orchestral templates. Having the sample libraries running off a NVME makes all the difference in the world. I would advise keeping the RAM tidy with Memory Clean 3, as well.

[dewdman42]

I think in the case of LogicPro, you are able to run LogicPro in native ARM mode and then it can host plugins either natively or through Rosetta.

I would assume that yea, in order to use any Intel plugins in DP on M1, you'd have to run the entire app in Rosetta mode, unless MOTU also did some slick stuff like Apple did.

[bayswater]

I think in the case of LogicPro, you are able to run LogicPro in native ARM mode and then it can host plugins either natively or through Rosetta.

I would assume that yea, in order to use any Intel plugins in DP on M1, you'd have to run the entire app in Rosetta mode, unless MOTU also did some slick stuff like Apple did.

How do you interpret MOTU's statement that DP 11 does not run in Rosetta mode? From what I read, the plugin itself might run under Rosetta, but not the host.

[dewdman42]

no idea, you tell me when you find out. that is certainly what LogicPro did. Maybe Apple provided a framework that Motu is also able to use for doing just that. I was only responding to someone else that I thought said they felt they had to run DP in rosetta mode. I don't have an M1 and have no way to say anything other the pure speculation.

[gulliverity]

I think in the case of LogicPro, you are able to run LogicPro in native ARM mode and then it can host plugins either natively or through Rosetta.

I would assume that yea, in order to use any Intel plugins in DP on M1, you'd have to run the entire app in Rosetta mode, unless MOTU also did some slick stuff like Apple did.

How do you interpret MOTU's statement that DP 11 does not run in Rosetta mode? From what I read, the plugin itself might run under Rosetta, but not the host.

Where did MOTU state that? The MOTU press release as well as their webpage only state "No Rosetta required." Which is rather disingenuous as they know full well that many of their customers are using third-party plugins. An asterisk and disclaimer at the footage of the page would not have gone unappreciated.

To my understanding this is no different than when I had to force Adobe Premiere Pro or Davinci Resolve AS versions to run in Rosetta in order to use third-party plug-ins. Both companies released simultaneous Intel versions of their software so direct performance comparisons could be made.

If MOTU did something different — a Rosetta module running within the AS load — I'd be keen to learn of it.

[sockmonkey]

DP11 running in native mode on an M1 loads Intel-only plugins via Rosetta2 just fine. I can use, for instance, Kontakt (64-bit Intel only) without any trouble.

So no cause for alarm.

[60s Pop Man]

Hello,

DP11 can run in Rosetta mode.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s_JkoB ... sp=sharing

Third party plug-ins in Rosetta in DP11 native on a M1 Mac Mini are hit or miss: Yes- Kontakt 6.6, Battery 4, Guitar Rig 6, AD2; No - FM8, HALion 6.

Best

[HCMarkus]

That is interesting info 60's. Thanks for sharing it!

I am running both Kontakt6 and FM8 under Rosetta2 in MainStage/M1 successfully; I wonder what the difference between the VI coding is?

[60s Pop Man]

That is interesting info 60's. Thanks for sharing it!

I am running both Kontakt6 and FM8 under Rosetta2 in MainStage/M1 successfully; I wonder what the difference between the VI coding is?

HCMarkus, you're welcome!

I'll share my non-expert understanding of what's going.
Once difference is that you're running an Intel Mac and I'm using an M1 Mini.
On the M1 Mini, I can also run K6 and FM8 in MainStage.

DP11 in AS (Apple silicon) mode on a M1 Mac
All of my plug-ins as mentioned here earlier are Intel plug-ins running in Rosetta: So far only Kontakt 6, Battery 4, AD2 function in DP11 on my system. (I haven't yet tested other NI instruments.)

This is where things start to get tricky

Only two VST2 plug-ins appear, one which is FM8 which fails. AU is the selected plug-in format, but as mentioned, it's hit or miss. If I try to load certain AU plug-ins, one or two error message appear: DP has encountered an error, and/or always, Emergency Stop which shuts down the audio engine requiring a Quit or Force Quit to restart DP.

DP11 in Rosetta Mode
All AU Intel plug-ins via Rosetta are available.
All VST3 plug-in are now available but Fail. I submitted a TechLink and MOTU says that they're working on VST3 plug-ins passing the scan process.

So for the time being, I save DP in Rosetta mode projects in a Rosetta folder to avoid confusion and the unexpected need to restart DP. I'm quite happy to have Intel versions of K6, Battery, and AD2 via Rosetta running in the AS compatible DP11.