Finally, a DSP Accelerator for Virtual Instruments!

Hideout · Post by **Hideout** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:28 am

Splinter wrote:
Finally, a DSP Accelerator for Virtual Instruments!
Like I want another piece of hardware for my virtual studio? Not!

Seriously, this concept is dead in the water right up there with Pro Tools TDM. Native is the only way to go. Get a Quad or wait till the Macintel towers come out and wave goodbye to all these hardware workarounds.

Dude, I played with this thing when I was in Seattle a couple of weeks ago - IT ROCKS! It is NOTHING like Pro Tools TDM pricewise. Native may be tidier physically but it can't touch the Receptor's low latency response and ZERO effect on your Mac's CPU. As for the Macintels, it's gonna be a while before our apps become really savvy on the new CPUs - hell DP is still not as CPU as we'd all like it to be on the PowerPC and you think it's gonna be better having to go through Rosetta? Not by a long shot! The Receptor has a ridiculously small Linux OS that is designed specifically for running VIs and other plugs - unlike all other computer OSs, it doesn't do anything else! There's no desktop, web browser, or any other crap to get in the way of the processing power for the plugs. No home computer out there can touch this thing when it comes to running plugins. The other thing is that it is but ONE unit that occupies a couple of rack spaces, and unlike like a TDM system, it ain't $10k. There is absolutely no comparison.

No I don't work for Muse Research, but I sure wish I had a pal who did.

TOD · Post by **TOD** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:52 am

again......how much????$$$$

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:09 am

TOD wrote:again......how much????$$$$

TOD, heres a link regarding prices for Receptor.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search. ... 1&go=Go%21

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:10 am

You can buy the Receptor for 1399.00 here:

http://www.audiomidi.com

No mention of the UniWire connection at that site, but I imagine it's a hundred or so extra. It's not available yet.

Add in the price of the VST plug-ins you want, that's the cost.

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:27 am

Hideout wrote:Native may be tidier physically but it can't touch the Receptor's low latency response and ZERO effect on your Mac's CPU. As for the Macintels, it's gonna be a while before our apps become really savvy on the new CPUs - hell DP is still not as CPU as we'd all like it to be on the PowerPC and you think it's gonna be better having to go through Rosetta? Not by a long shot! The Receptor has a ridiculously small Linux OS that is designed specifically for running VIs and other plugs - unlike all other computer OSs, it doesn't do anything else! There's no desktop, web browser, or any other crap to get in the way of the processing power for the plugs.

You made my point beautifully. It's vaporware... a workaround... its days are numbered from the start. No it doesn't cost as much as a TDM rig, but I wasn't comparing price. And, no, I wasn't suggesting DP will run under Rosetta - that with never happen - but when the Macintel towers come out later this year all this DSP hardware will be obsolete.

Jaysplace101 · Post by **Jaysplace101** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:49 am

BTW, Ted Rackley, probably thought it was OK to post this because he chimed in on an earlier discussion about Receptor a couple months ago. He answered a lot of our questions and was very helpful. If out of the blue, he just showed up with a big sales pitch, that would be different, but he's been here before and probably thought he was welcome with this announcement.

For anyone who has hit the wall with plug-ins, this IS a DP discussion. IMHO. This issue and possible solutions are HUGE for me.... and others, I'm sure.

j

qo · Post by qo » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:55 am

I'm obviously outnumbered here. But, I get spam in my email inbox, on hundreds of billboards on the commute to work, on almost every web page on the net (except, thanks to the generosity of James Steele, Unicornation), and I used to be barraged with it on TV before throwing the thing in the trash 20 years ago.

Given that Unicornation is one of the very few public places in my life that's not infested with spam, it's just sad to see peddlers like Ted invade the place.

And, yes, Ted is a spammer in my book. As opposed to someone like Urs Heckmann, creator of Zebra, who frequents other boards. What's the difference between the two? Ted ONLY posts when it stands a chance to increase sales. Urs is an actual contributor to the forums he's a member of. He hangs out with the riff raff, so to speak. He visits our studios, he drinks beer with us. He IS one of us.

If Ted had posted in RESPONSE to someone's questions, that would be different. I'd view that as coming from a vendor who cared about solving its user's issues, in the same way I view magicd and techsupport. But, Ted started this thread. And, the subject is blatantly commercial in nature

"Finally, a DSP Accelerator for Virtual Instruments!"

Is this breaking news? Absolutely not. How long has Receptor been on the market, at least a year.

So, what are we going to get next?

"Finally, a cable you can trust!!!!!" (Monster)

"Finally, the mother of all VIs!!!!" (Native Instruments)

"Finally, a DAW that smokes DP!!!" (Apple)

"Finally, a DAW that smokes Logic!!!" (Steinberg)

"Finally, a tube that lasts!!!!" (Groove Tubes)

"Finally, a smooth compressor!!!" (Universal Audio)

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

Remember Ted's first post on this forum, and on many other forums?

This is not for everyone, but for those of you who know me, if you guys have been wondering what I've been up to lately, tune in to my webcast tomorrow at 4 PM Pacific Standard Time (I now live in LA):

He spammed MANY forums with the above (goggle "Ted Rackley" for proof). Notice the phrase "but for those of you who know me" designed to imply a cozy relationship with his audience on many different forums!. Who had heard of Ted before then? I doubt many. That phase is pure marketing spin.

If you guys want this board to turn into an advertising swamp filled with Rackley clones, then encourage Ted. He'll be back with more spam, and others will follow. Of course, James is the final arbiter on this stuff and I'm only speaking for myself. But, if phpBB supported an Ignore function, Ted Rackley would be the first on my list of those to add to it.

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:10 am

qo wrote:"Finally, a DSP Accelerator for Virtual Instruments!"

Is this breaking news? Absolutely not. How long has Receptor been on the market, at least a year.

So, what are we going to get next?

"Finally, a cable you can trust!!!!!" (Monster)

"Finally, the mother of all VIs!!!!" (Native Instruments)

"Finally, a DAW smokes DP!!!" (Apple)

"Finally, a DAW that smokes Logic!!!" (Steinberg)

"Finally, a tube that lasts!!!!" (Groove Tubes)

"Finally, a smooth compressor!!!" (United Audio)

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

Remember Ted's first post on this forum, and on many other forums?

This is not for everyone, but for those of you who know me, if you guys have been wondering what I've been up to lately, tune in to my webcast tomorrow at 4 PM Pacific Standard Time (I now live in LA):
He spammed MANY forums with the above (goggle "Ted Rackley" for proof). Notice the phrase "but for those of you who know me" designed to imply a cozy relationship with his audience on many different forums!. Who had heard of Ted before then? I doubt many. That phase is pure marketing spin.

If you guys want this board to turn into an advertising swamp filled with Rackley clones, then encourage Ted. He'll be back with more spam, and others will follow

Hilarious Qo, and frighteningly true. Who didn't take the bait to read the thread and it was nothing but a sales pitch? Why did we read it? Because we thought it was some great insight from one of "our own." I don't mind company reps hanging around to "be" a user and help users, but to take a free ride on their advertising spamming here is pretty low life.

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:25 am

Splinter wrote:Why did we read it? Because we thought it was some great insight from one of "our own."

I didn't think that.

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:30 am

chrispick wrote:
Splinter wrote:Why did we read it? Because we thought it was some great insight from one of "our own."
I didn't think that.

I didn't conciously think it either, but when I found out it was spam, I felt inherently - but not so dramtically - cheated. It was a let down. It wasn't personal testimony, but a commercial. And I'm not buying it (in more ways than one.)

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:44 pm

qo wrote: "Finally, a DSP Accelerator for Virtual Instruments!"

Is this breaking news? Absolutely not. How long has Receptor been on the market, at least a year.

Yeah , I saw it at NAMM 2004 (and maybe AES 2003).

What's new is their "UniWire" which runs MIDI and audio via Ethernet, and allows access to Receptor hosted plugins via DP's mixer. I was told that with this system, plugin latencies are reported to DP for delay compensation.
I think this could be pretty cool, as I've been envious of friends that can use the power of multiple PCs via FX Teleport (who talked about a Mac version, but all but gave up on the idea.....maybe with the Intel chip though....).
It's also kinda like Logic's Distributed Audio Processing, though surprisingly I've not heard much raving about that, nor any mention of MOTU planning anything similar.

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:02 pm

qo wrote:I'm obviously outnumbered here. But, I get spam in my email inbox, on hundreds of billboards on the commute to work.......... etc

I agree 100% with your whole post. Well said.

jason.hegener · Post by **jason.hegener** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:38 pm

The uniwire thing is cool, but I've always been a bit confused by the Receptor. From what I understand, you can only install plugins on the Receptor from vendors that play nice with Muse Research. And that's nowhere near the percentage of plugins that they claim work with it. What's up with that?

I have some waves plugins, and I don't see how you can install and register these plugins for use on a Receptor.

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:12 pm

jason.hegener wrote:The uniwire thing is cool, but I've always been a bit confused by the Receptor. From what I understand, you can only install plugins on the Receptor from vendors that play nice with Muse Research. And that's nowhere near the percentage of plugins that they claim work with it. What's up with that?

I have some waves plugins, and I don't see how you can install and register these plugins for use on a Receptor.

I think Muse has an on-going list on their site of third-party vendors apps that'll play on their box. For what I remember, it's a pretty decent list. But yeah, I doubt it includes Waves stuff.

jason.hegener · Post by **jason.hegener** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:26 pm

Yeah, on Plugorama.com they seem to have a good selection of plugins. Seems more focused on virtual instruments than effects.

It's good to see that Guitar Rig has been added to the list. I've been trying to get my guitarist to look into adding that to his setup. Maybe I'll check in on the Receptor forums to see if anyone's doing a Receptor/Guitar Rig live setup.

There's one dude who has documented on the web his Mac Mini/Guitar Rig live setup. It looked like a lot of work, but turned out way cool in the end!