Unwanted snap when dragging between tracks

[csansom]

How do I stop DP snapping when I'm dragging a MIDI note from one track to another in the Sequence editor? I turn off the grid and all snap options, but when I drag a note across a highlighted box appears and whatever I'm dragging snaps to the nearest beat (or whatever value is set in the snap options). It works fine within a track, but as soon as I cross into another I get this problem. Holding the shift key makes no difference.

This is a new problem with DP10, I'm certain. Previously, in order to make the dragged event land in the same spot time-wise I would turn the grid on to make it maintain its horizontal position - which still works within a track.

Am I missing something dead obvious? Is it a known bug?

[Phil O]

Yes, once you cross the boundary of a track it seems to take on a snap behavior. I don't know why or how to change it. If, however, you drop the note in the new track near its final location it will easily move freely. So the workaround:

1 Grab the note
2 Drag to it's new location in another track (within the snap constraints)
3 Drop
4 Drag precisely to its final location
Of course, zooming way in helps.

BTW, the command key seems to prevent the snap behavior, but doesn't work in combination with the shift key for horizontal constraint.

This might be an oversight on MOTU's part. Probably worth a techlink.

Phil

[csansom]

Sorry - been away from all this for a couple of days.

Anyway, many thanks, Phil, and in a way I'm glad to know it's not just me. Actually I'd already refined your workaround to this:

1 Make a mental note of the attack time of the note in question (or the first note if it's a group)
2 Grab the note(s)
3 Drag to the new location in another track (within the snap constraints)
4 Drop
5 Use Edit->Shift... (or splat-L) to adjust final location to the previously noted attack time.

But it's a bit of a pain if you have to do it a lot!

As for the command key, yes it turns snap off, but it does so totally, which is equally no help. The previous behaviour, with the Grid on, was to drop the note in the new track at the same point as in the old track relative to the nearest snap point, and if this was 117 ticks after said snap point, that would be faithfully replicated.

So yes, I'll raise a techlink, and thanks for the suggestion.

[Phil O]

If you get a response from MOTU (or if you find a solution), please let us know what they have to say about this.

[csansom]

Yes, I think 'if I get a response' may be the most relevant part of your post. I've not had huge luck with responses to my techlinks in the past. But yes, I'll post here if I do.

[dix]

Time constrained dragging between tracks is broken in in DP10 and a known issue. MOTU has said it would be addressed in a future update.

[Phil O]

Hey, thanks for that info, dix. Let's keep our fingers crossed for DP10.02 coming soon.

Phil

[csansom]

Good to know, dix, thanks!

Meanwhile, however, I did get a remarkably swift response to my techlink from Andrew Bregman, saying 'Would you be able to share a short screen recording of this behavior just so I can take a closer look?'... which rather suggests he doesn't know what I'm talking about! So I've sent him a little video capture of the problem and will be interested to see what he says.

[dix]

Good to know, dix, thanks!

Meanwhile, however, I did get a remarkably swift response to my techlink from Andrew Bregman, saying 'Would you be able to share a short screen recording of this behavior just so I can take a closer look?'... which rather suggests he doesn't know what I'm talking about! So I've sent him a little video capture of the problem and will be interested to see what he says.

Hmm. Brendan Reza told me in my TechLink in May re this issue "It's logged and should be fixed in the next update".

[Phil O]

Perhaps Andrew wants to see if it's exactly the same problem or a different one.

[Phil O]

or...

The left had doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

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or...

The left had doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

This is my conclusion. There's some very sharp folks at MOTU, but it seems they don't speak to each other.

[csansom]

OK, next update from my techlink, after Andrew saw the video I sent: "Yes, I see what you mean. I am able to place the note off the grid by holding down the Command key, which temporarily disables grid snapping. Are you able to do this as well?" - the answer to which I'd already told him in my original post. I'd also told him that was no help, so now I've detailed exactly what the favourable behaviour was in DP9 (and earlier, as far as I recall). Ho hum...

[dix]

Oh, jeez. This doesn't give me confidence the issue will be fixed in 10.02. I reported it for 10.0 in February btw. Tech Support said it slipped by the 10.01 and would be bumped up for the the next.

The ID for my TechNote is 144660 if that helps. The Issue Title is "Dragging and moving MIDI between tracks bugs".

[csansom]

I think you're right to be concerned. This is the latest response after I mentioned your post here (not by name): "Good to know we are on the same page. I'm not sure who posted this (or who the MOTUNation poster talked to at MOTU HQ) but I have added this to out fix list." [I assume 'out' is a typo for 'our'.]