I'm afraid of updating to DP10

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I'm afraid of all the wave plugs I would have to update at a charge$$. Also other plug incompatibilities that have been reported.

I'm waiting for sequence edits where crossfades could be extended in software / modified bite sizes on the edges enabling short crossfades for purity edits within legal limits. This could have been done automatically but they just reported them illegal instead. I like the fact that they did this but they could have gone further. Example: Do a Spectral pitch change and extend the area of the effect beyond the required bite you wish to alter. Save the change and edge edit/pull the original audio on both sides of the existing audio back over the new bite front and back. You now can do a cross fade. If its quick, and they usually are, you cannot hear the cross fade from any previous pitch and no pop occurs. This could have been an automatic bite extension and solution without any hassle IMHO. I have asked for this feature with MOTU. Why not at least add the pref to turn on/off this feature if the brains at MOTU or you disagree?

I'm fearful of old sessions including SDII files not converting although they don't convert now properly in 9.52. Some convert and some don't. If i go back to 8 they do but i don't have 8 anymore.

I'm fearful of a slower system from 9.52 which will partially negate the 12 core updates I paid for and may require a complete purchase of the new Mac pro system costing thousands I don't have. I actually don't know what to expect.

Until then, I have permanently put aside the $195 bucks, waiting for a heads up from those with a system like mine the doe to upgrade and to report in. I have also stayed away from OS-10.1? Sierra or higher.

Suggestions welcomed.

[bayswater]

What's the specific issue with Waves? I have about 15 waves plugins and they all work as they always have. I have a mix of V9 and V10 Waves plugins and because of that, installation is convoluted, but once done, it all worked.

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What's the specific issue with Waves? I have about 15 waves plugins and they all work as they always have. I have a mix of V9 and V10 Waves plugins and because of that, installation is convoluted, but once done, it all worked.

I have a friend in LA that upgraded and he had to relocate the authorization and buy the upgrade they charge 100 bucks for. Further Waves team viewed his machine and ended up putting the authorization files in Kontakt folders, weird. Waves apparently could not see his USB ports or hard drives to put them where they were. I just called him to confirm this. Likely an issue with either OS10 or DP10 as he did both siamotainously. Yes still fearful.

[bayswater]

What's the specific issue with Waves? I have about 15 waves plugins and they all work as they always have. I have a mix of V9 and V10 Waves plugins and because of that, installation is convoluted, but once done, it all worked.

I have a friend in LA that upgraded and he had to relocate the authorization and buy the upgrade they charge 100 bucks for. Further Waves team viewed his machine and ended up putting the authorization files in Kontakt folders, weird. Waves apparently could not see his USB ports or hard drives to put them where they were. I just called him to confirm this. Likely an issue with either OS10 or DP10 as he did both siamotainously. Yes still fearful.

There was a bit of a runaround with Waves, but in the end I got an email from one of the better informed techs, and it was simple.

1. Delete all the Waves stuff
2. Download and apply the V10 installer
3. Download in apply the V9 installer

In that order. A V10 installation removes all the V9 plugins.

My authorizations are on a USB key, and they worked fine. If they are not on a USB, perhaps you also need to reinstall the auths, but I didn't.

Note that I had to do all this because I installed DP 10 as part of the initiation of my new 2018 Mini. None of it was necessary with my older system.

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B-Water: Could it possibly be system variable as to issues that occur. I see you have a laptop and a mini your using. I have the cheese grater ear;y 09 mac updated 5.1 and 3.46mhz 12 core. My friend has the same exact machine. Maybe if I go up to a 2010 cheese grater some of these issues will ne null. I could use some input on this if anyone knows. I can afford to make that move but not a new mac pro as they are offering for big bucks although I would love one.

[bayswater]

B-Water: Could it possibly be system variable as to issues that occur. I see you have a laptop and a mini your using. I have the cheese grater ear;y 09 mac updated 5.1 and 3.46mhz 12 core. My friend has the same exact machine. Maybe if I go up to a 2010 cheese grater some of these issues will ne null. I could use some input on this if anyone knows. I can afford to make that move but not a new mac pro as they are offering for big bucks although I would love one.

Watching MOTUNation, you see a lot of problems that seem to be present on some systems and not others, even when they have the same OS and DP versions. That used to be a problem with PCs, but maybe it's a problem with Macs now too.

So, yes, I think you may have a point. Although my 2009 iMac worked with DP 10 (on High Sierra) we can't really expect MOTU to test new DP versions on every possible Mac model we use here, many of which are now 10 years old, and designated as obsolete by Apple. But maybe they could start telling us which machines and OS versions they have actually tested on in addition to telling us minimal requirements.

[Gravity Jim]

You should be. It was a mess with 10.0, and 10.01 hasn't improved things much.

I've actually come to believe that DP 10 has a conflict with DP9, and that the installer leaves bits and pieces of the other one when either of these versions is installed.

I would advise you wait. Maybe forever. I would be running DP 9 for the rest of my career except DP 10 rewrote a bunch of application support stuff and now 9 crashes and locks more often than 10.

[Timeline]

Thats interesting.

Maybe another version like 10.1 is worth waiting for. I'll move the upgrade monies to an interest savings account plus a hundred for the waves update. It's sad really because they added some nice features. If they do a crossfade feature I'll bite anyway. The new Mac Pro may bring some incentive to do an update version. 9.52 works for me, Not too many crashes here. I did though reinstall 9.52 after running the 10.01 demo. That helpped.

[HCMarkus]

Install 10 on a clone boot drive.

[bayswater]

I've actually come to believe that DP 10 has a conflict with DP9, and that the installer leaves bits and pieces of the other one when either of these versions is installed.

Quite likely. There have always been some conflicts between versions. In my case V10 is a new install on a new computer.

I assume you tried to delete all traces of DP, and then installed DP 9 from scratch? It's not trivial, because different stuff was in different places for different versions. May be debris from V7 and 8 laying around too.

The upgrade to V10 has marginal for me. Other than the scaling, which is great if you have the right gpu, I don't do anything that couldn't be done as well in V9. Here's hoping for a few more bright shiny things in subsequent updates.

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I think I'll buy another 2T SSD to try OS10

[HCMarkus]

I think I'll buy another 2T SSD to try OS10

I've been on OSX for a while. It's pretty good.

[bayswater]

I think I'll buy another 2T SSD to try OS10

I've been on OSX for a while. It's pretty good.

What happened to that little guy who looked like a paperclip?

[mikehalloran]

You should be. It was a mess with 10.0, and 10.01 hasn't improved things much.

I've actually come to believe that DP 10 has a conflict with DP9, and that the installer leaves bits and pieces of the other one when either of these versions is installed.

I would advise you wait. Maybe forever. I would be running DP 9 for the rest of my career except DP 10 rewrote a bunch of application support stuff and now 9 crashes and locks more often than 10.

This has been discussed in many threads. The last version installed will cripple some functionality in all other previously installed versions. This is due to files being overwritten in the Shared Resources folder by whichever installer was run last.

For example: you can't bounce to mp3 in 9 after installing 10. Reinstalling 9.x disables bounce to mp3 in 10... until you reinstall 10 and find it disabled in 9 and so on.

The only workaround is to have different boot drives for different versions. This has been true going back to 4.5 in OS X.

[waterstrum]

All of that said...
Is DP10 working as a stable platform for you?
I'm still on 9 and it is fine.
I've read about many problems with 10.
This is the first time I haven't jumped to the upgrade.
The old IIABDFI paradigm.
That said, I'd like to enjoy the new features.