DP 10 Opening Older Files

[sg335man]

Hello I have the Demo version of DP10. I am trying to open older projects from 2001 to 2014 files which I think was a combo of DP 5 and 6 I used.

"Error occurred reading from the disk; Unreadable data was encountered while reading the file"

It reads the audio files fine outside of DP app straight from the drive?

DP is on my main SSD OS drive High Sierra 10.13.6 both on my MacBook Pro 17" and Classic MacPro tower. I have emailed MOTU and wait. I guess I could load DP 6.03 or try? Cheers DonH

[mikehalloran]

I ran into this issue with DP 7.24. Long story short, privileges and permission requirements changed between 7.01 (where the files opened fine) 7.12 (where they gave error messages) and 7.24 when they wouldn't open at all.

You can't load 6.03 in High Sierra — the license manager is incompatible.

Do you still have the Mac where these files were created or drive where these were originally stored? If so, this is very easy to fix.

[sg335man]

Many thanks for your help and time. I have both computers that the files were created on. However not the OS? I have copies backup only of the original internal recording drives, but not the recording drives. I have been rather stupid not thinking about archive material and using DP projects again? I have a Demo of DP 10 and a full license of 5 and 6 I moved to Logic some yrs ago for work University and slowly over the yrs stopped using DP. Again not realising I may need to use DP again in the future. I was in the commercial Ad biz for years and have backup drives full of DP projects going back to the 2000.

I could try and find an old OS and format a spinning SATA drive and install 6 see if that works? Other wise recreating the DP projects from only the Audio files is one hell of a task unthinkable really. I think there’s a lesson here for all? You have to think about archived projects and a day you may need to open those files. I use to update old DP projects when any major release came out. A lot work and for many impractical! Opening files from version 5 to 6 for example always worked. Very different then the problem I now have. I will report what Tech Support say, but I fear it will be the same.

[magicd]

There could be a problem with the old DP session file. Have you tried creating a new file in DP10 and then loading the sequences into the new file from the old?

Dave

[sg335man]

Hello thanks for your help. Yeah tried that no go. It looks like I will have to re-create the OS and version of DP on boot drive in order to open the files. I am waiting to hear what MOTU say but its very clear I think. The tough part I have files projects going back to DP 3 Christ. I hope what ever happens we all get a clearer picture of how to deal with archived files especially going back years? Work you are doing now being able to open in the future? Hum

[sg335man]

Motu Tech got back to me. Using 10 I can open or import most if not all Audio files. And some via the project file? I had some sense to convert files like Sound Designer, AIFF and Wav to Apple Lossless m4a. However without the main project file opening, all I have is audio files or soundbites and there tempo! Placing them in trks is far from easy. Any MIDI info arrangement is in that file? I also have a nasty habit of hot naming clearly wants what. You do a edit and DP saves it? You end up with a lot of files. Anyway all is not lost.

[mikehalloran]

You have access to the original drives? Try this.

Zip the project file on the original drive. Do one at first.
Copy it to your current Mac.
Unzip the file and open within DP 10.

You might get some errors about missing plugins while other functionality now belongs to the Trim plug. Otherwise, it should open.

A couple of my projects did not behave but most did when I tried the above. I have a couple other things to try.

When this happened to me, MOTU support told me that my files were corrupted which was not the case.

Let us know what happens.

[Timeline]

Hey Dave, is there going to be a 10.02 soon?

[monkey man]

This has me worried I won't be able to open my files, all of which are old, once I'm done getting my gear together. Mostly DP2.7->DP7 I guess.

No longer have the original drives or OS's that the projects were created in. Anticipate reopening them for the first time in a new cheese grater running whichever OS they ship with at the time of purchase, which will be late this year or sometime next year. I'll have bought the DP10 upgrade by then.

EDIT:
They're mostly MIDI projects, some with just a little "interspersed" audio.

[Timeline]

This has me worried I won't be able to open my files, all of which are old, once I'm done getting my gear together. Mostly DP2.7->DP7 I guess.

EDIT:
They're mostly MIDI projects, some with just a little "interspersed" audio.

Jey MM glad to see your around. Cheers, GB

[sg335man]

Hello, regarding opening old archive files/projects, most do for me in version 10? I have years of DP projects spanning version 3.0 to 6.0 The majority open from the project file in 10? But I have some that will not. When I archived the files for space I converted all audio to Apple Lossless m4a. That at least eliminated the SD2 audio files which have been discontinued. Current versions of DP will not open projects with SD2 audio format.

Of cause HDs and files get corrupt that’s why we have 2 or 3 backups. But there’s still not a 100% guarantee. What started this post was a file from 2009 DP 5. I have 3 backups of the project from
the original recording, which had increment backups spanning over 3 weeks. Only the first “Saved” project file would open, none of the increment revised would on all 3 drives. However the audio in every file opened and played.

If you have projects to archive, with a lot of MIDI trks data etc create a MIDI file also and save that with your project file and folders. There are other export formats like OMF but if you have the basics, audio and MIDI flies you can reconstruct. I would also make sure your “Bounce to Disk” any trks with synths and plugins? You may not have yrs later. Also audio trks with effect plugins etc you may not keep.

I would also copy any finished project from your audio recording drive, to each backup drive, not from one backup dive to another. Always check they playback?

I have the task now of reconstruction? On that note make sure you do have good house keeping, name soundbites and MIDI trks so you can reconstruct if you have to yrs later. Hope this helps DonH

[mikehalloran]

Current versions of DP will not open projects with SD2 audio format.

Not correct but the issue isn't what you think. If you had renamed your SD2 to sd2, it would have fixed you up. What the ...? I know. There are ways to do this as a batch in Finder.

DP has trouble with files that don't have suffixes and it wasn't till 9.52 that DP was again able to open files that were SD2 or sd2. Yea, what took them so long?

Instead of converting to lossless, convert to .aif or wav. iTunes prefers .aif while the rest of the world prefers .wav.

Although QuickTime can convert one file at a time and iTunes can do batch conversion, there are other, much more convenient tools for the use including DSP-Q and TwistedWave. In addition, there are some shareware, freeware and cheapware apps that do this as well. TW lets me drop many different file types from different folders into a window and will convert all putting the converted files into the original folders if that's what I want.

[CharlzS]

If you want to convert your M4A back to SDII so the DP session file recognizes them, take a look at Audio Finder: http://www.icedaudio.com/site/#features

Not sure if APFS recognizes resource forks, but if HFS+, no issues.

[sg335man]

Thanks for link interesting. I am unsure what format the org files were recorded. MOTU has the project see if they can open it.

[monkey man]

... most do for me in version 10? I have years of DP projects spanning version 3.0 to 6.0 The majority open from the project file in 10? But I have some that will not.

Yup. That's why I'm asking how-reliable it might be for me once I buy v10 and get up-and-running again, Don.

If you have projects to archive, with a lot of MIDI trks data etc create a MIDI file also and save that with your project file and folders. There are other export formats like OMF but if you have the basics, audio and MIDI flies you can reconstruct. I would also make sure your “Bounce to Disk” any trks with synths and plugins? You may not have yrs later. Also audio trks with effect plugins etc you may not keep.

I would also copy any finished project from your audio recording drive, to each backup drive, not from one backup dive to another. Always check they playback?

I have the task now of reconstruction? On that note make sure you do have good house keeping, name soundbites and MIDI trks so you can reconstruct if you have to yrs later. Hope this helps DonH

All good advice; thanks Don. I'm not in a position to archive anything. All I have is old, unfinished projects from many years ago, most having been exported from ATARI and the basic MIDI tracks having been set up in old versions of DP, along with sysex-setup dumps for outboard synths.

Jey MM glad to see your around. Cheers, GB

Cheers to you, Brother Gaz.