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DP on new Mac G5 problem [SOLVED]

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Hello all!

I've been using DP for about a year now. I visit this site often, but don't usually post as I still consider myself a "newbie" with DP and I really haven't had any problems. Until now that is. I upgraded to a newerish Dual 2GHz G5 with 4 Gigs of RAM and OSX 10.3.7. My interface is an 828 MkII. I was on a Dual 1GHz G4 and DP 4.52 with no problems. Anyway, I updated to all the most recent versions of DP (4.62), Mach Five, the firewire drivers, etc. from MOTU's site. DP installed fine and opens and plays my old projects just fine. Here's the problem: I select an input from the 828, place the track in record, and get nothing. The meters on the 828 show signal, and if I select "Audio Pass Through" the raw signal comes through, but nothing on the meters in the mixer window and no sound through the mixer. I've got the input monitoring set-up to monitor through effects and always monitor when a track is record enabled. I've tried the other settings also and still no signal. Now here's the really strange part. If I open the Audio Monitor window, I get a level when I record enable a track. Still no sound or levels in the mixer window though. If I hit record, the signal is recorded on that track, but still I can't hear it while recording and no meters in the mixer window. The track plays back just fine and I get level meters in the mixer window. So basically, everything works, I just can't see levels or hear audio while recording. I've looked at the core audio settings, and all the studio and audio settings in DP and can't see any problems. This is really starting to look like a bug to me, but I thought I'd pick the pros brains here and see if anyone had any ideas. Sorry for the long post. I'm not the most conscise thinker. :wink:

Thanks for any ideas on this problem.
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Re: DP on new Mac G5 problem

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Try creating an aux track with input from your primary sound source--that is, your final mix (or individual instruments, if you prefer), and output to your main-outs. (monitor tracks)

See if that gets you there.... if not, come back and we'll take another try at it.

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Sorry, that would updated to DP 4.61 not 4.62. Man, too many numbers for my tiny brain.
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Re: DP on new Mac G5 problem

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Shooshie wrote:Try creating an aux track with input from your primary sound source--that is, your final mix (or individual instruments, if you prefer), and output to your main-outs. (monitor tracks)

See if that gets you there.... if not, come back and we'll take another try at it.

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Thanks, I'll give it a try tonight when I get home. It's just strange that DP is seeing the input signal in the audio monitor, but not passing it to the mixer and back out to the 828.?
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tbenson wrote:Sorry, that would updated to DP 4.61 not 4.62. Man, too many numbers for my tiny brain.
Oh, by the way, I don't have any AU or MAS effects inserted on the tracks either, so the signal isn't getting lost there somehow. Just a bare mixer channel with an 828 input selected and main out 1 & 2 selected. I've also tried all the 828's inputs and get the same problem. No sound or levels in the mixer, but the signal gets recorded and play back fine.

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You did not say what your audio or MIDI input was -- unless I missed it.
It is guitar..vocal..etc. what is it?

Looks like you do not have an external mixer either -- no?

Controller setup..etc?

Do you have "multi-record" engaged..etc?

Did you check the Audio Monitor window to
make sure you can audition/monitor the sound..?
There is a button for that.

How about the Audio Bundles..the set up?

Please elaborate more on your recording setup?

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mastermix wrote:You did not say what your audio or MIDI input was -- unless I missed it.
It is guitar..vocal..etc. what is it?

Looks like you do not have an external mixer either -- no?

Controller setup..etc?

Do you have "multi-record" engaged..etc?

Did you check the Audio Monitor window to
make sure you can audition/monitor the sound..?
There is a button for that.

How about the Audio Bundles..the set up?

Please elaborate more on your recording setup?

Kris....
OK, I'm not using a control surface with DP. I actually mix through another DAW, and just track the live audio and process with plug-ins in DP. I also use DP for VSTi's.

The outputs of my 828 MkII go directly to a Presonus Control Station and then to my Event ASP 8's. As I said, I have play back from DP, so once a track is recorded, it's play back fine.

I did check the Audio Monitor window, and I have levels at that meter, but I get no meters in the mixer window and can't hear the audio the Audio Monitor window shows.

I have the same problem no matter what input on the 828 MkII I use. Mic, guitar in, line in, SPDIF in all have the problem. I see levels on the meters of the 828 and levels in the Audio Monitor window, but no levels or sound in the mixer window. And yes the tracks aren't muted and nothing is soloed anywhere.

I did check the Audio Bundles and everything looks to be correct.

I haven't changed the "multi-record" settings. I've left that at the default, but I did check and the settings looked correct. I'm at work and my rig is at home, so I'll double check tonight.

I'll try to gather all my hardware and audio settings also tonight.

Basically, everything is the same as what was working with my old G4. When I open and old project, all the settings are the same and playback works fine. I have also tried to open new totally blank projects and still have the same problem.

To reiterate, I've got signal to the 828. Audio Monitor window meters show the level when I put the tracks into record enable. If I hit record, the signals are recorded and play back just fine. the problem is I can't hear what I'm recording. Somehow the signal of the record enabled tracks isn't getting to or through the DP mixer. They play back fine through the mixer and the level meters work and I can apply plug-ins, etc. One other thing, VSTi's are also working correctly, in that I can put a MIDI track into record, route the output to a VSTi instrument track, assign the instrument track output, and hear the VSTi. I just can't monitor and live inputs to the DP mixer. The signal is getting to DP as it shows up in the Audio Monitor window. After that though, it's not getting through to the DP mixer.

Thanks again for any ideas.
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tbenson wrote: OK, I'm not using a control surface with DP. I actually mix through another DAW, and just track the live audio and process with plug-ins in DP. I also use DP for VSTi's.
What DAW?

What is the setup for inputs/outputs?

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Another thing...

Have you tried using DP with the MOTU 828 standalone
to see if everything checks out okay before plugging
in all the other gear and software?

Much easier to isolate problems when you plug in
parts progressively ...making sure various units
work well incrementally..

Just a thought -- seeing that your setup is not that
easy to grasp -- just by reading your posts...

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Here's what I would do...I would take the Presonus Control Station out of the equasion and see what happens. Maybe just take a feed out of the 828 and see what happens. I gues that's pretty much what mastermix said, so...anyway... That's about all I can think of at the moment.
By the way, great pics on your site! That really takes me back. Sometimes I really miss playing the clubs back in the day. And it looks like you guys are close to my old stomping grounds. And your chick singer looks way too cute and classy to be tooling around with a bunch of road dogs! :lol: :wink:
Sweet studio setup, too. It looks like a great space. Hope to hear you guys someday. Keep rockin'!
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mastermix wrote:
tbenson wrote: OK, I'm not using a control surface with DP. I actually mix through another DAW, and just track the live audio and process with plug-ins in DP. I also use DP for VSTi's.
What DAW?

What is the setup for inputs/outputs?

Kris..
Don't laugh, but I've been an Ensoniq PARIS user since about 2000. It's a dead system now, but it still sounds better than any other "all in the box" DAW I've heard. It's got to be due to the fact that PARIS is like Pro Tools and all the audio processing is done by PCI card hardware. Unlike Pro Tools, those guys at Ensoniq got it right almost ten years ago and PT is just now getting close. PARIS has no latency compensation, unusable MIDI, doesn't support newer VST plug-ins or VSTi's, but it has the sweetest EQ on every channel, killer DSP based plug-ins and a very "analog sounding" mix bus. I won't get into any dumb debates about what sounds better than what. It's just what MY ears tell me. I track and do any MIDI work and VSTi's in DP. Then I do a rough mix and apply any plug-ins that I can't run in PARIS and freeze each individual track. Then I export the frozen tracks as 24 bit . wav files. Then I pull the files into PARIS over my network and finish mixing in PARIS. I know it sounds like a pain in the butt, but that gives me the sound I'm looking for. :D
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taggart wrote:Here's what I would do...I would take the Presonus Control Station out of the equasion and see what happens. Maybe just take a feed out of the 828 and see what happens. I gues that's pretty much what mastermix said, so...anyway... That's about all I can think of at the moment.
By the way, great pics on your site! That really takes me back. Sometimes I really miss playing the clubs back in the day. And it looks like you guys are close to my old stomping grounds. And your chick singer looks way too cute and classy to be tooling around with a bunch of road dogs! :lol: :wink:
Sweet studio setup, too. It looks like a great space. Hope to hear you guys someday. Keep rockin'!
Ha! Thanks taggart! That cute, classy chick is my wife! I'll tell her what you said. It'll make her day. I also do our web site, so thanks for the kind words.
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mastermix wrote:Another thing...

Have you tried using DP with the MOTU 828 standalone
to see if everything checks out okay before plugging
in all the other gear and software?

Much easier to isolate problems when you plug in
parts progressively ...making sure various units
work well incrementally..

Just a thought -- seeing that your setup is not that
easy to grasp -- just by reading your posts...

Kris...
Ok, I'm now officially an idiot. Well, I was an idiot all along, but now I have to admit it to everyone here. Evidently, when I installed DP on my new G5, the "audio patch thru" defaulted to off. It was always on on my old G4, so I didn't even bother to learn what that little button did. Page 205 of the DP 4.5 Manual explains it all. The really stupid thing is I even found "audio patch thru" in a menu and thought it was supposed to be unchecked! What an ignoramus! Anyway, thanks for all you guys' ideas and let me apologize for being such a dunce. DP is now operating great on my new G5! Yippie!

Thanks again, and this group is pretty cool. I'll have to visit more often. :)
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