Comments on DP 9.02

[bayswater]

I.E. if you hit Tab, then *space* (with spacebar), only tracks including *space* in their names will display. Most of the time that will be no track all.

Give yourself a chance to catch what's going on, with this simple test:
- hit Tab
- hit spacebar
- all your tracks disapear
- hit erase
- all your tracks are back
No magic there, just a brand new DP9.02 search feature!
Need to get used to it, though...

This only seems to apply in the Sequence Editor. In other windows, Tab just cycles through various fields, e.g. in the Tracks Window there is a search box, but Tab cycles through the 3 selection values. In the MIDI editor it cycles through the Grid values. In windows other than Tracks, the search box only appears in the Track Selector.

Having a search and subsetting feature is great for those with very large track counts, but the way this has been done puzzles me. Its like different people did the search function in different parts of the interface and didn't talk to each other. And having a search function with no display of what characters you have entered makes no sense at all to me.

[Shooshie]

And having a search function with no display of what characters you have entered makes no sense at all to me.

Bingo! That's the real clincher. You sort of find out that you've been searching after your tracks disappear, giving you a jolt of adrenaline and busting out all creative flows. You won't even remember where you were, after the first time this happens!

Here's a twist that tells me there's more wrong here than what we're describing. Click the small picture to go to the full-size one. It looks normal at first glance, but... zero in on what's going on in the lower-left side of the picture. Those are my Sequence Editor tracks!!!

Just for clarity, that's not a separate window pushed off-screen. It's a fragment of a window that has lodged itself in my Consolidated Window. I managed to get my Sequence Editor back with a little fiddling, and the fragment disappeared. That's happened to me 3 times now, and I have no idea what causes it.

What the heck??? (click the picture for a full-size one)


Shooshie

[bayswater]

Just for clarity, that's not a separate window pushed off-screen. It's a fragment of a window that has lodged itself in my Consolidated Window. I managed to get my Sequence Editor back with a little fiddling, and the fragment disappeared. That's happened to me 3 times now, and I have no idea what causes it.

I've seen similar problems with the Tracks pane in the CW. The actual display of the Tracks was well off to the right so only a small vertical slice was visible, with almost the entire rest of the pane blank grey. It seems to happen when I change screen resolution, or change a screenset. Changing to the Sequence editor within the CW, then back to Tracks corrects the display.

[daniel.sneed]

This looks huge, but, IMHO, the case is complex.
If I understand correctly, the purpose may have been:
Type Tab, then viol, and magic!: all violin tracks would show up.
A great idea indeed, but, in many circumstances, there are serious drawbacks.

[waterstrum]

9.02 is very bad in my world.

Turns an ordinary day in to a crisis.

Trying to jump back to version 8.

disregard my signature...

[Shooshie]

Are others getting a lot more pops and clicks in their actual mixes and tracks? I've always heard the random click, but 99 times out of 100 it turned out to be systemic, not in the soundbites, tracks or mixes; just random. Now, I'm getting a number of clicks in my tracks. Not like a plague or epidemic, but more than the occasional click. A set of mixes that normally would have taken me a couple days took me over a week, instead. I kept finding clicks, and here's the thing: the longer I went, the more I found. I'm pretty sure they weren't there the first several times through. I was comping takes, and two of us were listening. We always comped around clicks, and there were only a couple per song (still more than the ZERO clicks I normally have). Done choosing comps, we moved on to mixing. More clicks kept turning up. I'd go exploring and find that a take we'd chosen now had a click in it. I'd choose another take, and all was well (except where the chosen take was really the only acceptable one).

So, what's up with the clicks? Anyone else seen this happening? I've had more clicks to deal with in the past week than arguably my entire tenure with Digital Performer up to that point!

Could this be DP's doing, or is this a sign of hard drive failure, or a Core Audio problem in Yosemite?

Shooshie

[buzzsmith]

Shoosh, the only clicks that I'm currently and occasionally seeing and hearing come from using DP's pitch correction on a vocal.

If I correct a long held out word (one pitch block) but leave the release alone, I may get a pop or a click towards the end of the soundbite.

The only way that I've found to remove it is to flatten out one or two of the smaller pitch lines in the last couple of blocks.

Most of the time, that works.

The unusual thing is if I start playback in the middle of the soundbite (before the ending correction), no anomaly. If I start at the beginning of the soundbite, always there.

TechLink in progress.

DP 9.01.

Buzzy


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[FMiguelez]

What does no make any sense at all, is that, in order to be able to search for a track, one needs to have EVERY folder opened, with the tracks showing, otherwise nothing will be found.

The moment I realised this, it's so illogical and self-defeating in purpose, that I simply IGNORE all these new related features until they work.

Also, my carefully planned "State of Folders" gets messed right after every search. They won't return to the same open/closed status as I had them. They are dozens of folders at many levels.

It makes no sense at all that they show a million empty folders along with the searched and found tracks.

I complained about this since the first day. I mean, the features have potential, but they must be put together logically. Hopefully by next revision?

[bayswater]

What does no make any sense at all, is that, in order to be able to search for a track, one needs to have EVERY folder opened, with the tracks showing, otherwise nothing will be found.

It's only one key press to open all of them before doing a search.

Also, my carefully planned "State of Folders" gets messed right after every search. They won't return to the same open/closed status as I had them. They are dozens of folders at many levels.

That's a problem. Can the state of the folders be saved in a Track Layout?

It makes no sense at all that they show a million empty folders along with the searched and found tracks.

There is a menu labelled "Show Only Tracks". Selecting within that hides folders. If you set that first, a search doesn't result in any folders being show at all. Not exactly what you wanted but helpful.

I'm finding this confusing just like others, but if you think of the bazillions of search combinations we might use, it's an OK start. Decent documentation issued at the same time as the feature would have helped.

[Shooshie]

I don't think what you're describing is technically a bug, Fernando, but is more of an inconvenience, a poor choice of design. But because of other design choices, it has the result of acting like a bug. Explanation: if you accidentally tab into the search field, with the track selector column closed, you cannot even possibly be aware that you've just done that, and that your next moves will invoke a search which will probably come back empty after you press the next key a few times, waiting for it to do its job, such as hitting spacebar for play.

At that point you've created a search. If that changes your folder setup, and there's no way to get back to it, then I think we could call it a bug, because you have no control over it. It's not like you can just avoid using the feature, unless you wedge a shim under your Tab key or remove it from the keyboard. At some point you will accidentally hit Tab, or even on purpose expecting different results than the current hijack of that key. So, if an unavoidable action eventually happens, changes your setup, and is irreversible, that's an operational bug. It needs changing.

I'm collecting bugs here, not a wish-list, but in this case what you're dissatisfied with is arguably a bug, so it goes on the list.

Shooshie

[Shooshie]

Shoosh, the only clicks that I'm currently and occasionally seeing and hearing come from using DP's pitch correction on a vocal.

If I correct a long held out word (one pitch block) but leave the release alone, I may get a pop or a click towards the end of the soundbite.

The only way that I've found to remove it is to flatten out one or two of the smaller pitch lines in the last couple of blocks.

Most of the time, that works.

The unusual thing is if I start playback in the middle of the soundbite (before the ending correction), no anomaly. If I start at the beginning of the soundbite, always there.

TechLink in progress.

DP 9.01.

Buzzy


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Buzzy,

I'll bet that's what was going on. I don't usually do a lot of pitch work, but I did some this time. Once you've done it, you tend to forget where it was. I'll bet that if I looked at those points where there were clicks, I'd find pitch correction. Still, I've used it moderately in the past, and did not get any clicks that I can remember. Has this just recently started happening to you since, say, 9.x?

That reminds me: I wish Pitch Correction could be included in groups. When I've got two mics on the same source, it would be nice to have both corrected by the same amount. That may not work; maybe that's why they don't do it.

Shoosh

[buzzsmith]

Actually, in my case, the clicks are after the correction.

I think it started in 9, but I did down save the file to 6 and opened in 8 (without correction) and it did the same thing. ??


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[Shooshie]

Actually, in my case, the clicks are after the correction.

Yeah, I'm thinking mine are, too.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I don't think what you're describing is technically a bug, Fernando, but is more of an inconvenience, a poor choice of design.

I'm collecting bugs here, not a wish-list, but in this case what you're dissatisfied with is arguably a bug, so it goes on the list.

Shooshie

And I thought you were just looking for comments...

[Tonio]

Are others getting a lot more pops and clicks in their actual mixes and tracks?
Could this be DP's doing, or is this a sign of hard drive failure, or a Core Audio problem in Yosemite?

Shooshie

hmmm. no clicks or pops here, but issues with I assume the audio driver. I need to test and re install perhaps. I cannot turn on my 828x after computer is booted without issues. It will kill the OS since upgrading to Yosemite 10.10.5 / DP9.02 ( sorry my profile is not updated).