The days of one G5 being enough are dead! Here comes the

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:19 pm

I am sorry to say this, but it has happened. Software manufacturers have caught up to the G5 in my humble opinion. The days of one G5 being enough are, to me, OVER!

YEs..this means a second machine for VI's.

And who thinks anything less than a second G5 can really handle a nice VI assortment? Not me.

The days one one G5 being enough are over.

To utililize all the wonderful stuff out there...it now takes TWO G5's!
One for DP...the other for VI's.
This hit home hard for me today.

Comments...rebutals?

[ July 25, 2005, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: toodamnhip ]

iMAS · Post by **iMAS** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:37 pm

It seems as if VI's/music softwares in general are always a step ahead of computer speed. Computers will "never" be fast enough.

zandurian · Post by **zandurian** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:37 pm

Exactly. I remember in the 80''s when samplers first hit the market a buddy and I talked about how to do a piano "right" you would have to have samples of every note ringing all the way out and struck at (at least) 127 different velocities AND samples of the sympathetic ringing of every other note when the pedal in down ect. ect. Now 20 years later we're closer, but istill not all the way there.
I'm sure the software guys ALREADY have enough ideas to spike the next 20 years of hardware processing updates into the red.

zandurian · Post by **zandurian** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:38 pm

Exactly. I remember in the 80''s when samplers first hit the market a buddy and I talked about how to do a piano "right" you would have to have samples of every note ringing all the way out and struck at (at least) 127 different velocities AND samples of the sympathetic ringing of every other note when the pedal in down ect. ect. Now 20 years later we're closer, but istill not all the way there.
I'm sure the software guys ALREADY have enough ideas to spike the next 20 years of hardware processing updates into the red.

zandurian · Post by **zandurian** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:39 pm

Exactly. I remember in the 80''s when samplers first hit the market a buddy and I talked about how to do a piano "right" you would have to have samples of every note ringing all the way out and struck at (at least) 127 different velocities AND samples of the sympathetic ringing of every other note when the pedal in down ect. ect. Now 20 years later we're closer, but istill not all the way there.
I'm sure the software guys ALREADY have enough ideas to spike the next 20 years of hardware processing updates into the red.

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:11 pm

To utililize all the wonderful stuff out there...it now takes TWO G5's!
One for DP...the other for VI's.
This hit home hard for me today.

Comments...rebutals?

What's the point?
The technology changes sooo fast (as does the software)
that eventually it'ss be the equivalent of 3 G5's (or whatever they're called in the future)
I guess it's a question of being productive with the tools you have on hand now.
I know I am

twistedtom · Post by **twistedtom** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:52 pm

I just got a 128 bit G12 Quad, 100ghz with 756 giga bytes ram, 860 tetrabytes of ram. It keeps up ok.

studiodog · Post by **studiodog** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:17 am

Originally posted by twisted:
I just got a 128 bit G12 Quad, 100ghz with 756 giga bytes ram, 860 tetrabytes of ram. It keeps up ok.

Yeah, They sent me one as well... I HATE this damn G12.
It needs more DAM RAM.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:17 am

Originally posted by toodamnhip:
I am sorry to say this, but it has happened. Software manufacturers have caught up to the G5 in my humble opinion.

Caught up? No.
Ganging up? Yes

DP by itself on a G5 will slam, but with all of the wonderful VIs and Plugs, no one wants to run just one "app" at a time.

I'm thankful for how much power per dollar I get these days.....I spent ten grand on an Apple IIFX over ten years ago.

[ July 25, 2005, 03:25 AM: Message edited by: Tim ]

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:46 am

I asked Apple for quad processing 6 years ago in a letter to Steve Jobs.

Also pleaded for a 96K 24bit internal audio engine. Especially in laptops. This was very doable and they are only up to 48K 24 bit in desktops.

Apple was, at the time, accepting input from studio owners and high end users. I had a major studio and got on the list.

Quad CPU's must be more difficult than they thought.

I really don't want to slave or buy a bunch of machines.

One machine is much more elegant.

[ July 25, 2005, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Timeline ]

a_real_mf · Post by **a_real_mf** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:54 am

i am considering a 2nd VI computer
how does one "lock" a VI computer to the DP computer ? and can it be croos platform?

firewire or ethernet or ?

thanks in advance

mf
arealmf.com

glmusic · Post by **glmusic** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:55 am

I think Gary may get his wish on the "quad" in the near future. With IBM starting production of the dual core G5's, I don't think its a great leap to put two of those in a G5 enclosure and call it a quad. Plus, they run cooler than the current chips and take less power. I think we may see them by the fall.

Rush909 · Post by **Rush909** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:07 am

One machine is not enough to get anything professional done if you are hitting walls... with time constraints, creative flow, crunch time... I don't want to be hitting any walls... and with one G5, the walls get hit really early for me.. on certain projetcs... Anything with a lot of VIs and you are pretty much out of luck with DP...

There is a software solution though!

IMPROVE THE FREEZE FUNCTION!!!!

When I was running my logic rig - same computer, even less ram... I was running smooth... reason being is that anytime I was starting to hit a wall, I would freeze some VI... now in logic, freezing is not realtime, and is super super fast... like less than 10 seconds to freeze an entire 5 minute VI line.. that kind of functionality does not break the creative flow and is acutally usable... there is no way I'm waiting for DP 5 minutes to freeze anything... forget it if you are doing a Club mix 9+ minutes.. NO WAY.

so I think we would be able to hold off getting into using 2 G5 for a bit if Motu would just invest some more time into the freeze function, which sadly does not seem high on the priority list.

until then, you can't really wait for Motu to fix this and you really have to do whatever to get the job done, which might just have to be another G5... I'm hoping that upgrading to 4.6 and DCPUM would ease some of the pressure on the CPU but have not heard much talk about any huge impact DCPUM has done for DP...

r.

mistermarr · Post by **mistermarr** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:39 am

well I hung on to all my outboard samplers and synths and have found my G4 dual gig to be more than enough horsepower. plus those outboard boxes mean i don't need a 50" monitor to work. why everyone is so hellbent ebaying their old gear and buying tons of VI's escapes me. i'm sure by the time apple has a computer fast enough to run all your VI's at once people will be switching to 192k versions of those instruments and whining about their slow computers!

my point is... we chose to bog down our computers. no one's pointing a gun to your head!

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:45 am

Improving Freeze would always be a good idea but DCPUM is one of those non essential adds IMO that can wreck your day when editing multi bites of audio. They may have well just taken out strip silence.

We STILL don't have a pref to disable it and I can't believe MOTU is being so pig headed about adding it. This pisses me off every time I think about it and really don't appreciate them ignoring us like this.

What did we gain anyway? I don't see much improvement at all.

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