Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
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- pacificm
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Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
I'm learning how to improve my mixing skills. One of the things I'm learning is the importance of not attempting to crowd frequency ranges with competing sounds from different tracks which can muddy the sound. In one tutorial discussing this it suggested that there were plug-ins available which could help with this. It was suggested that there are plug-ins that will clarify what frequencies are being used in a particular track so that you could use that information to adjust the EQ in other tracks with potentially competing frequency ranges. For example, if track A really needed a strong frequency capability in a particular range and track B used some of that range, but could get by with a reduction in that EQ range - then that could help track A without hurting track B. But, my questions is if there are any plug-ins available or capabilities in DP that could help with clarifying frequency ranges in this process. Please let me know if you have any suggestions in this area. Thank you.
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
The MW EQ has a Fourier display analysis that can be very helpful, and there are the spectral displays in the Sequence Editor. Also you may find this to your liking, and free:
http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/
http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/
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- mikehalloran
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
I would start here:my questions is if there are any plug-ins available or capabilities in DP that could help with clarifying frequency ranges in this process.
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Spectrogram display in the Sequence Editor — View the spectral content of each audio track, side by side with their waveforms, directly in the Sequence Editor timeline with a colorful, informative visual representation of the frequency content of your audio material.
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- Shooshie
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
I find Fourier and Spectral Displays to be essential for this. Of course, ear training helps, too. I keep a frequency chart hanging next to me with a piano keyboard showing the frequency of each note. That helps me to think of note ranges in numerical pitches.
Once you know the frequency of a pitch, the rest is math. For a brief reference on the subject, see this post on frequency charts.
It's a lot easier to refer to a frequency chart, or remember this: Every octave doubles in pitch over the octave before it. 440, 880, 1760, ...
Middle C4 Frequency Chart
Middle C3 Frequency Chart
All that said, I like FFT displays (Fast Fourier Transform) and Spectral Displays. The latter are not as precise to read, but they "hang" longer and show you results over time. Use both and learn how they each serve you. Even when I use them, I like seeing how close I could have come without the graphs. It's just good exercise.
Shooshie
Once you know the frequency of a pitch, the rest is math. For a brief reference on the subject, see this post on frequency charts.
It's a lot easier to refer to a frequency chart, or remember this: Every octave doubles in pitch over the octave before it. 440, 880, 1760, ...
Middle C4 Frequency Chart
Middle C3 Frequency Chart
All that said, I like FFT displays (Fast Fourier Transform) and Spectral Displays. The latter are not as precise to read, but they "hang" longer and show you results over time. Use both and learn how they each serve you. Even when I use them, I like seeing how close I could have come without the graphs. It's just good exercise.
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
Ever checked out TrackSpacer? It uses a sidechain to reduce conflicting frequencies. Super useful in certain situations. ...it's also really good at creating that rhythmic sucking effect used in so much EDM.
http://www.wavesfactory.com/trackspacer.php
http://www.wavesfactory.com/trackspacer.php
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- stubbsonic
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
I suggest starting with the low frequency range first. This is where that concept immediately makes sense.
From about 150 Hz and lower, you can think about balancing instruments in that range. Often the question there is whether the kick (and/or low drums) gets to occupy the lowest frequencies (50Hz and lower), or whether you want the bass or bass synth to have any presence down there. It isn't either/or. They can both be down there, you just have to control the total energy down there.
After that, you may notice a bunch of low end in the acoustic guitar track for example. So you can dial out some low end on that track and then some of that low mud will start to clear up.
Another little trick is to put up a parametric and put a little mid-peak on it and sweep it around. Listen without, then sweep to identify the frequency or frequencies that seem the busiest.
Like compression, it is easy to go to far with this concept. You can end up with a very clean mix that doesn't sound very real. Just know when you are going for impact and realism, vs going for something surreal or slick.
From about 150 Hz and lower, you can think about balancing instruments in that range. Often the question there is whether the kick (and/or low drums) gets to occupy the lowest frequencies (50Hz and lower), or whether you want the bass or bass synth to have any presence down there. It isn't either/or. They can both be down there, you just have to control the total energy down there.
After that, you may notice a bunch of low end in the acoustic guitar track for example. So you can dial out some low end on that track and then some of that low mud will start to clear up.
Another little trick is to put up a parametric and put a little mid-peak on it and sweep it around. Listen without, then sweep to identify the frequency or frequencies that seem the busiest.
Like compression, it is easy to go to far with this concept. You can end up with a very clean mix that doesn't sound very real. Just know when you are going for impact and realism, vs going for something surreal or slick.
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- Rick Cornish
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
Pacificm, I think you're asking the right questions. You might want to check out a plug-in called Vengeance SoundScope. It's a great little analysis tool, 64-bit and low overhead. I put a bypassed instance on every track in my template, then pop it open as needed to get a precise look at the frequencies being used.
It looks like they took it off Vengeance-Sound.com (at least, I didn't see it when I looked just now), but you can get a free download if you pick up a copy of Computer Music magazine (print or iPad edition).
Good luck!
It looks like they took it off Vengeance-Sound.com (at least, I didn't see it when I looked just now), but you can get a free download if you pick up a copy of Computer Music magazine (print or iPad edition).
Good luck!
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- toni_bena
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
Take a look at this one, it might help:
https://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins ... tiAnalyzer
https://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins ... tiAnalyzer
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
A combination of the meldaproduction plugin and trackspacer is really amazing. (Both are referenced above.)
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Re: Plug-In To Clarify Frequencies Being Used In a Track
Regarding Melda and MMultiAnalyzer - I find this plugin to be quite useful, although I don't always use it as intended. It's only 47 bucks and a handy plugin to have in your toolbox.
When I ordered this plugin, I screwed up and clicked on the wrong plugin, sent my money to Melda and got something I didn't want. An email to customer service was quickly answered and the authorization was set to the correct plugin. Melda only has my word that I won't use the authorization for the incorrect plugin already sent to me. They didn't have to do that. I think that's pretty darn good customer service. Kudos to Melda.
Phil
When I ordered this plugin, I screwed up and clicked on the wrong plugin, sent my money to Melda and got something I didn't want. An email to customer service was quickly answered and the authorization was set to the correct plugin. Melda only has my word that I won't use the authorization for the incorrect plugin already sent to me. They didn't have to do that. I think that's pretty darn good customer service. Kudos to Melda.
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