MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
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- toodamnhip
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MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
Often I import a piece of audio into the “comp track” (using the comp tool), and wish to edge edit a bit to REFINE that “comp import”, on the comp track itself.
Yes, it is indeed possible to edge edit the SUB take for adjustment, but often one needs to edge edit in the comped track itself for final tweeks, especially when having had put the sub takes away, but also in MANY other situations.
The problem is, DP cuts the data UNDERNEATH any imported audio into the comp Track. So when one edge edits the TOP comped audio, there is zero audio underneath from the prior comp track. This then requires yet another edge edit to bring the underlying audio back to the space where one has peeled back the top comp track. And...in the event there was a small piece of audio under the comped audio, that can get erased altogether when overlaying a comp take in that time location.
I have made a variety of workarounds, such as always working on copies so that the previous comp is always the track right next to the new comp...etc...but this CUTTING of underlying audio makes little sense. And if anyone wishes to argue I would state that DP has TWO audio and MIDI record modes, one of which does NOT erase underlying data. So why , when comping, does one LOSE this choice? Makes no sense! Leave the prior comped audio underneath so one can peel back to it and fade between takes!
So how about we make it a user preference that the audio underneath REMAINS there when overlaying a new piece of audio using the COMP tool?
Yes, it is indeed possible to edge edit the SUB take for adjustment, but often one needs to edge edit in the comped track itself for final tweeks, especially when having had put the sub takes away, but also in MANY other situations.
The problem is, DP cuts the data UNDERNEATH any imported audio into the comp Track. So when one edge edits the TOP comped audio, there is zero audio underneath from the prior comp track. This then requires yet another edge edit to bring the underlying audio back to the space where one has peeled back the top comp track. And...in the event there was a small piece of audio under the comped audio, that can get erased altogether when overlaying a comp take in that time location.
I have made a variety of workarounds, such as always working on copies so that the previous comp is always the track right next to the new comp...etc...but this CUTTING of underlying audio makes little sense. And if anyone wishes to argue I would state that DP has TWO audio and MIDI record modes, one of which does NOT erase underlying data. So why , when comping, does one LOSE this choice? Makes no sense! Leave the prior comped audio underneath so one can peel back to it and fade between takes!
So how about we make it a user preference that the audio underneath REMAINS there when overlaying a new piece of audio using the COMP tool?
Last edited by toodamnhip on Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- Robert Randolph
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Re: MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
I instinctively want to help, but the inflammatory way you write makes it very unpleasant to read your posts.
Re: MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
So, Merge rather than Paste? That makes sense to me.
I still haven't tried the Comp feature
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I still haven't tried the Comp feature
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Last edited by Tim on Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
Forum PreferencesRobert Randolph wrote:I instinctively want to help, but the inflammatory way you write makes it very unpleasant to read your posts.
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Re: MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
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Re: MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
Yes, that works. If you use the merge command instead of paste, the existing layers of audio under the newly added clip remain and can be uncovered by edge edits. Alt Drag and drop will do the same. It is only Paste that removes the existing audio. That's consistent with the overall way DP treats paste versus merge, no? In MIDI, if you paste you lose what's already in the range of the paste.Tim wrote:So, Merge rather than Paste?
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- toodamnhip
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Re: MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
Hmmm I am not sure it has been duplicated that I am using the Comp tool. There is no merge option that I know of with the comp tool . The tool sends all audio to the Comp track, cutting what's underneath.
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- Gravity Jim
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Re: MOTU Please make Comp tool NOT cut underlying audio
Why?? God, why?
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