NAMM 2015: DP9

[musicman691]

Go to the "buy now" link without logging in and it still gives you DP 8, and that's what goes into the cart.

And if you do buy now you're in the free upgrade window.
I am surprised that MOTU doesn't have a pre-order for DP9.

[Shooshie]

I am surprised that MOTU doesn't have a pre-order for DP9.

It's that "not ready until it's ready" development philosophy, where they do not want to feel pressured. They can't very well take orders without putting a date on it. A date is a deadline. Deadlines cause shortcuts and poor beta testing. So...

It ain't ready till it's ready!


Shoosh

PS: You can tell it's near, however, by the number of Kool-Aid pitchers in the posts. That's a sign, for sure!

[musicman691]

I am surprised that MOTU doesn't have a pre-order for DP9.

It's that "not ready until it's ready" development philosophy, where they do not want to feel pressured. They can't very well take orders without putting a date on it. A date is a deadline. Deadlines cause shortcuts and poor beta testing. So...

It ain't ready till it's ready!


Shoosh
PS: You can tell it's near, however, by the number of Kool-Aid pitchers in the posts. That's a sign, for sure!

I don't know about the 'can't take an order without putting a date on it' thing. I've seen far too many times where one can pre-order something and a date has not been put on it. Sweetwater for instance is taking pre-orders for the Behringer X-Touch control surface and East West has taken pre-orders in the past on libraries without putting dates on them. Amazon repeatedly takes pre-orders on stuff without dates being put on it.

So it happens.

[Killahurts]

[monkey man]

The wholesaler here in Jungleville told me a month ago that pre-orders for DP cannot be taken until a physical product exists. Something about codes and whatnot.

I didn't press him on the issue as it made perfect sense to me at the time. Still does.

[Morpheo]

Random thought about DP9...I really, really, r-e-a-l-l-y hope that when we select one or more tracks in, say, the tracks window, they also get selected on the mixing board. That would save a few precious seconds when we create groups on a 50+ tracks sequence for example...

[bayswater]

Random thought about DP9...I really, really, r-e-a-l-l-y hope that when we select one or more tracks in, say, the tracks window, they also get selected on the mixing board. That would save a few precious seconds when we create groups on a 50+ tracks sequence for example...

What do you mean? There isn't any real track selection in the mixer. What there is: a track selector that determines which tracks are displayed in the mixer. If you mean you want selections in the Track window to determine what tracks are displayed in the mixer, then I'd say make it an option, but not a feature. DP used to work that way. Nothing more annoying that mixing a set of tracks, going to an edit window to tweak something, and then going back to the mixer to find only that one track still displayed because it was selected in the edit window.

[musicman691]

Random thought about DP9...I really, really, r-e-a-l-l-y hope that when we select one or more tracks in, say, the tracks window, they also get selected on the mixing board. That would save a few precious seconds when we create groups on a 50+ tracks sequence for example...

What do you mean? There isn't any real track selection in the mixer. What there is: a track selector that determines which tracks are displayed in the mixer. If you mean you want selections in the Track window to determine what tracks are displayed in the mixer, then I'd say make it an option, but not a feature. DP used to work that way. Nothing more annoying that mixing a set of tracks, going to an edit window to tweak something, and then going back to the mixer to find only that one track still displayed because it was selected in the edit window.

I don't think he means either of the scenarios you mention but just if you select tracks in the tracks window they also show as selected in the mixer. I don't think he means to only show the tracks that were selected in another window (although the Quickscribe window works that way).

[Morpheo]

What do you mean? There isn't any real track selection in the mixer. What there is: a track selector that determines which tracks are displayed in the mixer. If you mean you want selections in the Track window to determine what tracks are displayed in the mixer, then I'd say make it an option, but not a feature. DP used to work that way. Nothing more annoying that mixing a set of tracks, going to an edit window to tweak something, and then going back to the mixer to find only that one track still displayed because it was selected in the edit window.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I just meant I'd like to have the selected tracks highlighted in the mixer as well. Which is why I gave the track groups example. It's much faster to identify the tracks to group if they are highlighted.

[Morpheo]

I don't think he means either of the scenarios you mention but just if you select tracks in the tracks window they also show as selected in the mixer.

Exactly. À la Pro Tools

[bayswater]

Sorry I wasn't clear. I just meant I'd like to have the selected tracks highlighted in the mixer as well. Which is why I gave the track groups example. It's much faster to identify the tracks to group if they are highlighted.

Thanks for clarifying. Then, I agree, but the first step would be the ability to actually select a track in the mixer. That function is quite limited to a few functions like moving track order, or selecting tracks for a group.

Maybe the current state is left from when there was not such a one to one correspondence between tracks and channel strips. These are still different entities in Logic, and some confusion results when you select strips versus tracks.

[frankf]

This is a confusing nomenclature issue in DP. We have a Track Selector that doesn't Select tracks but Shows/Hides them in edit windows except in theTracks Window. The custom Groups window is the only place where Show/Hide is used, the clearer name IMO.

[musicman691]

This is a confusing nomenclature issue in DP. We have a Track Selector that doesn't Select tracks but Shows/Hides them in edit windows except in the Tracks Window. The custom Groups window is the only place where Show/Hide is used, the clearer name IMO.

FWIW this is not the only confusing nomenclature in DP. DP has Instrument tracks but they only host a vi and not MIDI as well unlike other daws where Instrument tracks host the vi and the MIDI to drive it.

[frankf]

I understand, but, for my workflow, I like the DP approach, especially with multi timbal VIs like Kontakt where I may have 8 or more MIDI tracks triggering 8 instruments in the same VI. An instrument track holds the VI and MIDI tracks hold the MIDI. Pretty clear to me. When you create an Instrument track, are you aware that you can create a folder with associated MIDI tracks? That said, all my VI instrument tracks reside in v-racks. And of course to each his/her own.


Frank Ferrucci

[Shooshie]

While we're wishing for things in DP9, I really, really hope that it utilizes Siri, and I can just say:

"Siri, I'm going out for coffee. Arrange these things in MIDI, then record them and bounce to disk, then print to the blank CD in the optical drive before I get back. Oh... and print out the mailing label and text the artist to tell them that we're mailing it to the contest for her."

Siri: "Will do! You want it at 32bit FP and 96K, I presume."

Me: "Hey, I'm gone already. Figure it out yourself."

Shooshie


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