Duplicate files on import

[DanielCoe]

Here's another import I just did duplicates are exactly the same length. Files were created exported and then imported using the export/import feature in soundbites window

I passionately hate this about DP. When I import a file, even one not created in DP, but by a collaborator on another DAW, it RENAMES the file (and may includes duplicate 'regions' to borrow a PT term).

I get this also when I export from one DP project to pull into another project. For example, I want all my cues from a scoring project to be in one master project as stereo audio files. I print and label them in one session, export from the SB window, then import into an entirely different DP session (usually in the SB window using cmd-F1). When they come in they are renamed and often accompanied by many additional SBs for that track. However, when I import into Pro Tools that same file I exported from DP it comes in clean and properly labeled. This leads me to believe it's not a problem with the writing of the file header information (all the TC is properly preserved), but in how DP reads it.

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be a problem across the board, but perhaps a bug. I'm late to the topic, so I apologize if I'm redundant.

[bayswater]

Is there some confusion between viewing Names versus viewing Filenames? The Names (Regions) change as you edit, but the Filenames don't here. I'm also not seeing any duplication of Regions within the audio files imported.

If I import a file that was created in Logic, and set the view in the Soundbites window to Filenames, I see the file there with the original name, and a region that has the same name. As I edit the audio, additional regions appear in the list under the filename but the filename does not change. If I export any region, I get an audio file with the name of the soundbite. If I want the original, I can export the first region in the list. This all works in both directions between Logic and DP.

[Shooshie]

Here's another import I just did duplicates are exactly the same length. Files were created exported and then imported using the export/import feature in soundbites window

I passionately hate this about DP. When I import a file, even one not created in DP, but by a collaborator on another DAW, it RENAMES the file (and may includes duplicate 'regions' to borrow a PT term).

I get this also when I export from one DP project to pull into another project. For example, I want all my cues from a scoring project to be in one master project as stereo audio files. I print and label them in one session, export from the SB window, then import into an entirely different DP session (usually in the SB window using cmd-F1). When they come in they are renamed and often accompanied by many additional SBs for that track. However, when I import into Pro Tools that same file I exported from DP it comes in clean and properly labeled. This leads me to believe it's not a problem with the writing of the file header information (all the TC is properly preserved), but in how DP reads it.

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be a problem across the board, but perhaps a bug. I'm late to the topic, so I apologize if I'm redundant.

That's weird. I haven't seen that.
Does anyone know under what conditions that happens? How long has it been going on?

Shooshie

[frankf]

Is there some confusion between viewing Names versus viewing Filenames? The Names (Regions) change as you edit, but the Filenames don't here. I'm also not seeing any duplication of Regions within

Right Bayswater,
The screenshot is not showing the file names column. The file names should correspond to those you show in the Finder. What the screenshot is showing are soundbite, aka region, names. If the file you're importing has even 1 region created in the source program, it will show as a soundbite. I've imported or dragged into DP files where the single soundbite it contains is a couple of ticks shorter than the file and seen 2 soundbites. The solution here lies in doing what DP calls merging the soundbites before exporting from the source program. Also merging is good practice when sending files to another app from DP.



Frank Ferrucci

[Phil O]

Does anyone know under what conditions that happens? How long has it been going on?

Shooshie

I've been very busy lately, so I haven't had time to play with this more, but as I said earlier:

This isn't happening on my system when I export to Core Audio Wave. I haven't tried other formats yet. It may be a broadcast wave issue. Dunno.

But to be clear, I HAVE been able to duplicate the problem using broadcast wave format.

Phil

[DanielCoe]

That's weird. I haven't seen that.
Does anyone know under what conditions that happens? How long has it been going on?
Shooshie

I did an experiment. Through the SB import dialog I identified two different audio tracks I had created some time ago in DP. Via the Soundbites import dialog I could see that DP recognized two additional SBs (i.e. regions) associated with each track.

The first I imported through the SB dialog, and two regions came into the SB window. They were identical in length (at least to the hundredth as DP indicates). I took the second audio region that I had previously isolated and drag-and-dropped it onto the tracks window (not the timeline, but the tracks). It came in as a single SB. This despite the fact that DP had seen numerous associated regions when I inspected it previously via the SB dialog. Perhaps interestingly, the source of the drag and drop reads as Import From Sampler while the SB import source simply reads Import.

I also imported a track I made in Logic years ago and it came in as a single SB, source: Import.

Regarding the file names changing, dragging onto the timeline preserves them, while importing lists them by some other name (probably what is in the metadata).

[Shooshie]

That's weird. I haven't seen that.
Does anyone know under what conditions that happens? How long has it been going on?
Shooshie

I did an experiment. Through the SB import dialog I identified two different audio tracks I had created some time ago in DP. Via the Soundbites import dialog I could see that DP recognized two additional SBs (i.e. regions) associated with each track.

The first I imported through the SB dialog, and two regions came into the SB window. They were identical in length (at least to the hundredth as DP indicates). I took the second audio region that I had previously isolated and drag-and-dropped it onto the tracks window (not the timeline, but the tracks). It came in as a single SB. This despite the fact that DP had seen numerous associated regions when I inspected it previously via the SB dialog. Perhaps interestingly, the source of the drag and drop reads as Import From Sampler while the SB import source simply reads Import.

I also imported a track I made in Logic years ago and it came in as a single SB, source: Import.

Regarding the file names changing, dragging onto the timeline preserves them, while importing lists them by some other name (probably what is in the metadata).

That would explain why I haven't seen it. I nearly always drag & drop.

Shoosh

[DanielCoe]

That would explain why I haven't seen it. I nearly always drag & drop.

Shoosh

It's a nice method. Is there a way to override the TC spotting when dragging and dropping? In some situations it's nice to simply have the file come in at bar 1.

[Shooshie]

Drag to the track name. (Imports into a new track)

If you want to drag it into an existing track, just drag to Bar 1. It will come in at the beginning of the bar. I'm talking about the Tracks Overview Window, of course.

Shooshie

[Shooshie]

I decided to do some testing to see when/how this problem is happening. I could not make it happen. Here's what I did.
• I loaded the following filetypes:

• mp3
  m4A
  wav
  aiff
  mov

• I imported them all first by dragging, then by importing audio.
• I imported audio files that were of the same bit/sample rates, and others that had to be converted.
• I dragged one soundbite from the Tracks Overview and back into the Sequence Editor.
The predicted problem never emerged. I have yet to see a double-entry in the Soundbites Window or anywhere else.

So, what ARE the conditions that make it happen? Is anyone else seeing this besides the OP?

Shooshie

[DanielCoe]

I decided to do some testing to see when/how this problem is happening. I could not make it happen. Here's what I did.
• I loaded the following filetypes:

• mp3
  m4A
  wav
  aiff
  mov

• I imported them all first by dragging, then by importing audio.
• I imported audio files that were of the same bit/sample rates, and others that had to be converted.
• I dragged one soundbite from the Tracks Overview and back into the Sequence Editor.
The predicted problem never emerged. I have yet to see a double-entry in the Soundbites Window or anywhere else.

So, what ARE the conditions that make it happen? Is anyone else seeing this besides the OP?

Shooshie

Thanks for the scientific experiments!

Did you try importing a wav that you EXPORTED from another DP session? That's how I typically operate, maybe it's an issue with the exporting function via bouncing. (I often print internally and then export that file to share with others.)

[Shooshie]

I decided to do some testing to see when/how this problem is happening. I could not make it happen. Here's what I did.
• I loaded the following filetypes:

• mp3
  m4A
  wav
  aiff
  mov

• I imported them all first by dragging, then by importing audio.
• I imported audio files that were of the same bit/sample rates, and others that had to be converted.
• I dragged one soundbite from the Tracks Overview and back into the Sequence Editor.
The predicted problem never emerged. I have yet to see a double-entry in the Soundbites Window or anywhere else.

So, what ARE the conditions that make it happen? Is anyone else seeing this besides the OP?

Shooshie

Thanks for the scientific experiments!

Did you try importing a wav that you EXPORTED from another DP session? That's how I typically operate, maybe it's an issue with the exporting function via bouncing. (I often print internally and then export that file to share with others.)

Wav files are wav files. Export one from DP and you still have a wav file. (and yes, actually, I did, more than once.) In your original post you talk about this as though it's unavoidable, something you absolutely hate about DP, and yet I cannot reproduce it, and I've never seen it. If it's that hard to reproduce, requiring such precise steps to do so (which I did, anyway, and which did not result in the double-entry), then it's odd that you find it so difficult to get around, since every way I try it gives me what we all would expect it to do. How can you so hate a "bug" that is so hard to reproduce?

Shooshie

[Phil O]

Wav files are wav files. Export one from DP and you still have a wav file. (and yes, actually, I did, more than once.) In your original post you talk about this as though it's unavoidable, something you absolutely hate about DP, and yet I cannot reproduce it, and I've never seen it. If it's that hard to reproduce, requiring such precise steps to do so (which I did, anyway, and which did not result in the double-entry), then it's odd that you find it so difficult to get around, since every way I try it gives me what we all would expect it to do. How can you so hate a "bug" that is so hard to reproduce?

Shooshie

So I've finally had time to re-visit this, and it is quite reproducible (on my system anyway) and seems to be a Broadcast WAV issue. If I take the same stereo soundbite (created in any manner) and export it from the soundbite window in two formats, Core Audio WAV and Broadcast WAV then drag the newly created files to the soundbite window OR use command-I, the Core Audio file will import as a single soundbite but the B-WAV will import as two. Sure seems like a bug to me.

Phil

[bayswater]

I can reproduce Phil's result. I hadn't tried Broadcast wave before I guess. Anyway, it appear to be an import thing rather than an export thing. If I drag the files exported from DP into Logic, they both have one region.

[DanielCoe]

Wav files are wav files. Export one from DP and you still have a wav file. (and yes, actually, I did, more than once.) In your original post you talk about this as though it's unavoidable, something you absolutely hate about DP, and yet I cannot reproduce it, and I've never seen it. If it's that hard to reproduce, requiring such precise steps to do so (which I did, anyway, and which did not result in the double-entry), then it's odd that you find it so difficult to get around, since every way I try it gives me what we all would expect it to do. How can you so hate a "bug" that is so hard to reproduce?

Shooshie

WAV files are not all the same as others are reporting and as I've described earlier. Expanding upon Phil's findings, when I export any soundbite as a Broadcast WAV and a Core Audio WAV, upon reimporting (via whatever method) into a DP session, not only are the aforementioned dup SB issues there, but the Broadcast WAV drops at a specific timecode region, while the Core Audio drops to bar 1. It does sound like a Broadcast WAV issue to me, rather than an import issue.

PS On a more positive note I've been recently delving into DP's Adjust Beats function. It the greatest thing ever.