Unable to get unused soundbites to be recognized as such

[zandurian]

I've never had a problem with this before. A band came in and recorded 10 songs. I used one sequence and just stopped at the end of each song and hit record afresh for each new song - so each song has unique sound files not shared with any of the other songs. I've done this many times over the years and at a certain point I like to save each song separately in order to add new tracks and overdubs and mix etc. without effecting any of the other songs. After saving as the single song title I delete all the songs before and after and so end up with just the single song.

In this case - the band broke up in the middle of the project so I'm "saving copy as" of 3 songs which were by one of the writers who wants to complete those 3 songs on his own. To save hard drive space I select all unused sound bites and "delete from list" before copying the song (with it's associated sound files) but I discovered that still a ton of sound files are copying to the new song folder even though they are not being used by the sequence. I've made sure there are no other chunks or sequences associated with the file yet it still thinks all these soundfiles are being used and I'm having to delete them by hand. Nuts.

Any ideas?

[Gravity Jim]

Are the Soundbites hidden in alternate takes?

[zandurian]

Nope, just single takes.

[zandurian]

I'm racking my brain to figure out why it thinks it needs those other soundbites. I threw em in the trash but every time I open the project it's looking for 10 or so gigs of "missing" bites so I ignore it and the song works fine but its slow opening because of that. Of course I can remove those by hand but I'd really like to solve this instead.

[buzzsmith]

Top of my head...

You mentioned "Delete From List". Did you try "Delete Unused Soundbites"?

It will automatically find them and then ask "Are you sure?" (Or something like that...on iPad).

Then you'll get the window about Clearing Undo History to really erase them.

Just an early morning thought.

Buzzy

[Gravity Jim]

Good catch. "Delete from List" just removes them from view. "Delete Soundbites" removes them from the hard drive.

[FMiguelez]

Good catch. "Delete from List" just removes them from view. "Delete Soundbites" removes them from the hard drive.

But if that was the problem, once he removed the SBs (instead of deleting them) he won't be able to get them back so he can delete them, correct? Unless he re-imports them...

Zandurian, what happens if you re-import all those stubborn audio files and DELETE them this time? (the "Parent" audio files).

[zandurian]

Top of my head...

You mentioned "Delete From List". Did you try "Delete Unused Soundbites"?

It will automatically find them and then ask "Are you sure?" (Or something like that...on iPad).

Then you'll get the window about Clearing Undo History to really erase them.

Just an early morning thought.

Buzzy

Delete from list is what I need because then I could make a copy and it's behavior (historically) has been to only copy soundbites that are on the list. As it turns out I can't do either without selecting them manually because it won't "select unused soundbites" in the first place. At this point I could do either delete or remove (because I've got everything backed up elsewhere) but I've actually erased the files from each project (each project folder now has a single song inside) problem is it tries to find all of them them every time I open the song because they are still on the list as being used.

[zandurian]

Good catch. "Delete from List" just removes them from view. "Delete Soundbites" removes them from the hard drive.

But if that was the problem, once he removed the SBs (instead of deleting them) he won't be able to get them back so he can delete them, correct? Unless he re-imports them...

Zandurian, what happens if you re-import all those stubborn audio files and DELETE them this time? (the "Parent" audio files).

Historically I've been able to "save as" and name it the song name I want to isolate. Then I delete all the soundbites not associated with the song in the tracks window. I resave and then select unused soundbites in mass and "remove from list" (after making sure I don't have any other chunks or sequences open which uses those files). The I "save copy" including soundfiles to a new folder on any hard drive. It then normally copies only the soundbites needed for that song. I can't figure out why it thinks I need those other bites which are no longer being used. I'm missing something but I've done this dozens of times over the years without a hitch.

[zandurian]

On a whim I booted up from my old snow leopard start up drive, opened one of the songs in question and selected unused soundbites and It work flawlessly. I have several copies of the songs so I will reboot in Mountain lion and see if the behavior still persists.

[zandurian]

On a whim I booted up from my old snow leopard start up drive, opened one of the songs in question and selected unused soundbites and It work flawlessly. I have several copies of the songs so I will reboot in Mountain lion and see if the behavior still persists.

Okay, twilight zone. I boot up in Mountain lion again and opened the exact file I was trying to work with which led to my post. I had made no changes to it since posting. I opened and it came up looking for all the files still in the list but this time when going to "select unused soundbites" it selected all the unused bites and I deleted them all. I had quit and restarted DP before but did not reboot computer. Sheeesh.

[bayswater]

I had this happen today with DP 8.05 and OS 10.8.5. I did a search and found this thread. Like Z, I used "Select unused soundbites" and then "Delete Soundbite". This did delete the vast majority of the unused soundbites, but kept a few. The project has no extra takes, no soundbites hidden under other soundbites, only one sequence, and I flushed the undo history.

As far as I can tell, all of them come from false starts where I started recording something, missed a cue, stopped the transport and hit UNDO. Many other bites resulting from similar errors were successfully deleted.

Prior to deleting unused soundbites, I had merged the bites on each track to get a single bite per track. I'm wondering if these are bites that were on the tracks but were not required to complete the merge (e.g. hidden under the main soundbite), and so were not labelled correctly as unused after the merge.

I suppose I can just delete them. But if this is happening because of incorrect pointers or attributes in the bites, it could mess up the project.

[frankf]

I've found that if there is a SB(s) in the edit buffer, DP considers them "used". When this happens, I copy something, anything in a track and this clears the buffer and the SB shows up as an unused SB. This goes back to at least v7 maybe earlier.


Frank Ferrucci

[bayswater]

I've found that if there is a SB(s) in the edit buffer, DP considers them "used". When this happens, I copy something, anything in a track and this clears the buffer and the SB shows up as an unused SB. This goes back to at least v7 maybe earlier.


Frank Ferrucci

Thanks. That makes sense. I'd have thought flushing the undo history would "release" them but there's more to it I guess.