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[Gravity Jim]

Maybe there should be a subforum just for your gripes.

Seriously, if I had as much trouble with my rig as you say you do with yours, I'd tear the whole thing down and start over.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I tend to agree. The sounds that COME WITH MachFive aren't all that good and I rarely use them. But the app itself is very powerful as a sample manipulator - which is it's intended purpose. But let's get to your immediate problem...

You don't say what version of MachFive you are using. 1? 2? 3? 1 & 2 are essentially obsolete. MachFive 3 has performed extremely well for many. It is not out of line nor does it attack your awards and career to suggest there might be something in your system that is to blame if it is bringing down that entire system.

You don't say if you are running M5 (ver?) as a plugin or stand alone and, if as a plugin, if it is in DP or a bridge. I'll assume it's in DP, in which case DP and M5 would be expected to crash on a fatal error. The Mac OS (as you undoubtably know) is designed so that if one program misbehaves and crashes, only that app will crash, not the whole system. If the whole system crashes, then there is something else that is wrong in addition to any problems you have with a particular app. Something the system depends on to keep running has also failed and brought the entire system down. That's what crash reports are for, to find that problem.

How long have you had M5? It sounds like you bought it and put it on the shelf. More importantly, what have you done to remedy the problem? Have you called or emailed MOTU? You know, if you are in So. Cal. you could drive over to West LA Pro in Universal City on any Thursday morning and meet with a MOTU rep for one on one assistance? Matt is well versed in M5 and is a very patient teacher.

Finally, have you applied all updates and tried reinstalling?

[James Steele]

I'm late to the party and see TDH deleted the original post. If it's a MachFive issue it would probably go over there. As for the sounds that come with MachFive, I think there's some good stuff in there. I'm starting to get into the JBass instrument and going back and replacing other bass sounds I've used in the past with it. Oh well.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

What I've found is that the more exotic instruments are better than the "bread and butter" instruments. In some cases the M5 instruments are large and don't really out shine smaller counterparts in Kontakt. Not all M5 instruments are "bad" and I wouldn't say they "suck" or that MOTU products are "weak." Yeah, you missed a real party.

But what's interesting is that the o/p deleted his rant and popped out of view when confronted with troubleshooting questions and things like version numbers. Heck, I went out if my way to remove my many snarky comments in an effort to be helpful and this is the thanks? LOL.

It's funny but I'll just add the o/p to the block list and forget him for good. Too bad, because he might actually have solved his issues and found out that the instruments that are good in the package are exceptional and that the power of MachFive is much deeper than the presets.

BTW, the instruments I don't like, AS IS, are not to my liking but with a few tweaks I can and do use them.

[James Steele]

I don't want to comment on the merits of a post I didn't see. I will say that there's both good and bad sides to the characteristic of the board membership here that is characterized as "confrontational" by some.

If someone posts about issues that aren't being widely experienced by the rest of the user base, I think some skepticism is healthy. I've had to back off assertions I've made, and been embarrassed to do so, when it turned out I was wrong. I did this not long ago on my Facebook page, slamming Behringer because I bought a self-contained PA mixer for the rehearsal studio, which I assumed was faulty. Turned out I had some sort of short going on with the speakon connectors of one of my monitors and it was not the PA head at fault. I didn't conduct adequate troubleshooting prior to *venting.*

I had to delete my post on Facebook and then I sucked it up and did what some people might not... I posted a mea culpa and publicly owned my mistake and cleared the name of Behringer. That I didn't take into consideration the possibility during troubleshooting that the Behringer was not at fault, and that bias resulted in the wrong diagnosis. Sometimes we have a bias that's backed up by experience and it might save time in uncovering a problem. The risk is though that our bias might lead us not to consider that something contrary to our experience might actually be the real problem. It's a careful balancing act.

[toodamnhip]

I tend to agree. The sounds that COME WITH MachFive aren't all that good and I rarely use them. But the app itself is very powerful as a sample manipulator - which is it's intended purpose. But let's get to your immediate problem...

You don't say what version of MachFive you are using. 1? 2? 3? 1 & 2 are essentially obsolete. MachFive 3 has performed extremely well for many. It is not out of line nor does it attack your awards and career to suggest there might be something in your system that is to blame if it is bringing down that entire system.

You don't say if you are running M5 (ver?) as a plugin or stand alone and, if as a plugin, if it is in DP or a bridge. I'll assume it's in DP, in which case DP and M5 would be expected to crash on a fatal error. The Mac OS (as you undoubtably know) is designed so that if one program misbehaves and crashes, only that app will crash, not the whole system. If the whole system crashes, then there is something else that is wrong in addition to any problems you have with a particular app. Something the system depends on to keep running has also failed and brought the entire system down. That's what crash reports are for, to find that problem.

How long have you had M5? It sounds like you bought it and put it on the shelf. More importantly, what have you done to remedy the problem? Have you called or emailed MOTU? You know, if you are in So. Cal. you could drive over to West LA Pro in Universal City on any Thursday morning and meet with a MOTU rep for one on one assistance? Matt is well versed in M5 and is a very patient teacher.

Finally, have you applied all updates and tried reinstalling?

Your reply piqued my interest, I was not going to be involved with this after being accused of being the only guy around here with a problem, even though I have not been on here in quite a long time with ANY problems.
I have the next to latest version. There has been one update , 3.2 I believe, I have yet to install it. It just came out. All the things you wrote and all that effort, going to west LA music etc, are all valid points. But man that's a lot of hassle for someone who is really busy and expects Motu products to work with motu products. I used Mach 5 INSIDE VE Pro by the way. I have so many VIs and it just irks me that motu's own, proprietary VI crashes my system. I really didn;t expect that. The post I deleted mentioned highly paid, wold class comp guys/ engineers setting up all my systems through the yrs, and motu's product crashyness through various computers as a long term trend, not just ONE computer, and how I even work in terminal to repair and maintain things But then I realized there s a stigma here that only I have problems and complain so I said •••• it and deleted. The area I posted in is called "criticism"< but I am not allowed to criticize I see. When I criticize, I am the "only one" My only points here that I feel will be listened to are:
1) I have the next to latest version.
2) I don;t have time to chase buggy behavior in MOTU's own proprietary products when I have every other VI under the sun that doesn;t give me a hassle.

I am using mach 5 again for the upright, which is pretty decent. If I crash again because of it, I will trash it and consider it a 500 lesson on MOTU's synth engines, just like their other discontinued stuff like, what was it, MX 4> and their orchestral library is now defunct too right? Let's hope it was a one time thing. Maybe it won't crash again. Besides the dry, boring sounds in the library, there appears to be a lot of programability under the hood so I would like to start to "like" the product. But it sure hasn't drawn me to itself ever since I bought it. I bought it thinking it's time stretch was amazing, only to realize I could do better with iZotope RX 2-3 pro, which is the best but little known as far as transposition. I could have come on here and posted about those results but didn't. I was disappointed when Mach 5 got beat by RX. Though Mach 5 is pretty good with it;s granular abilities. Now THERE is an area where it is REALLY cool and unique. The ability to import "star wars" (or any audio), and turn it into a synthesizer chord. While typing, I have JUST NOW realized Mach 5's worth. granular synthesis. OK..so there!!! it's not a waste of money. I will have to play with that more. THAT is really cool and I forgot about that. Import an audio file and turn ANY audio file into a synthesizer...very nice!!!!! I forgot about that. Maybe there are other things Mach 5 does that I will grow to like...if it doesn't become "crashy". as the yrs go by, I am becoming more and more a fan of Kontakt. It sure has A LOT of stuff under it;s hood too.

[toodamnhip]

It's funny but I'll just add the o/p to the block list and forget him for good.

Feel free. Your life is better off without me..

[James Steele]

Hmmm... I don't know man... I would try installing the update and see if that fixed your problem.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Well I'm glad I didn't block you as I would have missed that post. And I'm glad you remembered the IRCAM stuff. Worth the price of admission, IMO.

Ya know, we're a passionate and opinionated bunch. Most of us call the shots on our work and act as producers and directors quite often - and a lot of us also play with the big boys... So it's no surprise that we get equally as passionate when things don't go as deigned. I sometimes want to throw my cell phone at the screen of my Mac for the very same reasons. But I've found that sometimes it also takes just a little more effort to figure it out. One more tweak. More more desoldering (yeah, I do my own soldering sometimes).

And TDH, I can only speak for myself, but I also know that those of us who contribute regularly really and truly want to help, not be defensive or snarky. Problems presented in a semi-sober way tend to be responded to similarly. Rants that get out of control get... well, an out of control and passionate response. It's human nature.

OK. I'm done. Let's go have a beer. K?

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Usually people get booted off before I have a chance to block them!