DP 8.05

[zedboy]

Thx David I'll try that. I am surprised that it would be one of DP's own plugs that is causing the problem.

[Dan Worley]

I think if you turn off Smart Selections, Paste to Wiper will work as it should.

[bayswater]

I don't have smart selections on, and paste at wiper is erratic for me. Using different time formats, snap on or off, sometimes it pastes exactly where it should, sometime a few ticks off, sometimes nowhere near the wiper. On a couple of other threads everyone seems to get different results using it.

Probably time for everyone to stop trying to guess what this command does. Maybe someone from MOTU will tell us.

[delcosmos]

DP8.05 is working great here. The paste to wiper is working as it should.
I think this is a great version. Very stable on my system.

Everything is smoother, faster... snapier.

Thank you MOTU.

[Shooshie]

Probably time for everyone to stop trying to guess what this command does. Maybe someone from MOTU will tell us.

How can we stop trying to guess the answer to a mystery?

A few years ago, there was a problem with stuck notes and several other anomalies which were so erratic and unpredictable that DP was literally getting a bad name for it. On my system, DP was working perfectly, all the time. I knew it did not deserve this reputation, so I did what I wish MOTU would do: I started a questionnaire with a list of diagnostic questions, and when people responded, I fed the answers into a spreadsheet on Excel, wherein I was able to mine the data as a database. Once I began that process, the answer jumped out in seconds. It turned out that every person who reported the problem was using new MOTU MIDI/Audio drivers. I was using old drivers, as was every person who had no problems. I uploaded the old drivers to a server and let people download them. It solved their problems.

The database/questionnaire troubleshooting method would probability work here, too, if enough people would respond. Somewhere there is a setting, a loaded plugin, a driver, a connected piece of hardware, or some other difference — even elsewhere on the computers — that is causing this problem.

I'm not having the problem, but I have an interest in keeping the record straight. DP is not specifically at fault here. I'd like to either vindicate it, or find the exception that causes DP to produce this problem. I can't very well ignore it, and I don't intend to. As long as the evidence comes in, as long as guesses occur to me or anyone else, I want us all to participate in solving this problem. If MOTU comes along and says "we found it," then I'll happily shut up. But I'd sure like to know what it is.

I don't have the energy or time to do what I did with that database. That took me a month of long evenings and little sleep. Once I solved the problem, it soon became irrelevant, because MOTU put out a new version of DP, and the problem was gone. I don't feel like doing that now. But if someone else wanted to write the questions (you'd better have a scientifically investigative mind) and field the collection of information, I'll happily write the spreadsheet. Otherwise, we'll just have to keep guessing.

I've got another problem forming… Altiverb has gone weird on me. I may be spending all my time for a while figuring out THAT problem.

Shooshie

[haim]

I think if you turn off Smart Selections, Paste to Wiper will work as it should.

This is exactly right!
Working like a charm even in Measures

[Shooshie]

I think we have a winner!

In all my testing, I never turned on Smart Selections. When I did, I got the problem. The problem, by the way, is that it pastes the data to the same beat/tic location as the original data, but in the bar over which the wiper is situated. No matter where my wiper is within that bar, the info will always go to the same beat and tic location (3|240, for example).

So, with Smart Selections on, copy some notes which begin at, say, 5|3|240, then move the wiper to bar 10 and Paste to Wiper, and DP will paste the data at 10|3|240.

Turn off Smart Selections and it will paste the data to the wiper.

Those who say that it always pasted the data a certain distance from the wiper were almost certainly positioning the wiper by typing in a measure number, such that the wiper always went to the downbeat of that measure. Then it pasted the info to the original location within the bar, so no matter what bar it was in, it appeared to be pasting it the same distance from the wiper. Had they moved the wiper to beat 2, I think they'd have seen that the location was not relative to the wiper, but to the original data.

As far as I can tell, this case is closed!

Shooshie

[toodamnhip]

" MIDI notes are no longer dropped during MIDI controller overdub recording."

Wow! That means I no longer have to record controllers to a scratch track! Unless, of course, I want to keep them separate. But this is HUGE!

Actually, quite a few of the new features are "huge." These are things that should have happened long ago, but for some reason they felt compelled to wait, perhaps until they simply had the time to devote to getting it right, rather than the more pressing details of rewriting a few million lines of code to make DP a Cocoa-compatible app.

This is incredible! If this is an indicator, then maybe we will see MOTU clean up all the details we've been talking about for years, which would make DP almost irreproachable to critics, almost perfect to those of us who use it.

I hope they continue at this pace (or faster).

Shoosh

Im a bit lost. On my lap top so I haven't downloaded yet. What does this mean to no longer "drop" notes when overdubbing controllers? Sorry to be dense, maybe in 5 min I will go.."duh"..lol If I am riding controller 1 mode wheel, were notes getting erased before>?...errr

[toodamnhip]

Update on my last post. This only seems to be happening on audio tracks. I can resize MIDI, aux, master fader, and conductor track by dragging. Is there a lock audio track size button somewhere or somethin'

Dunno. Here I am again. DP 8.05. Resizing an audio track.

Very fancy James, I like you're new style of video moderating. WORLD'S #1 MODERATOR..

[toodamnhip]

Hi..
One only observation... One option is still missing in this version of software.....
The function "COMPARE" when you change the values of the plug-ins does not work with the UAD plug-ins, does not work with plug-ins "DUENDE NATIVE" and does not work with plug-ins "WAVES". Only works with the format MAS.
It would be great to put at the disposal of DP8 this command as it is made available in Logic9 or in Cubase. Being DP a software much nicer and professional, this function should not remain only for the other softwares mentioned...

I use "compare" in iZotope Ozone 5. Have you checked to see if it works there?

[bayswater]

Probably time for everyone to stop trying to guess what this command does. Maybe someone from MOTU will tell us.

How can we stop trying to guess the answer to a mystery?

At some point it gets like the story of the monks standing around the horse arguing about how many teeth it has, when a boy opens the horse's mouth and counts them. Just saying a MOTU tip or manual amendment would be helpful at this point.

[iFra]

Hi..
One only observation... One option is still missing in this version of software.....
The function "COMPARE" when you change the values of the plug-ins does not work with the UAD plug-ins, does not work with plug-ins "DUENDE NATIVE" and does not work with plug-ins "WAVES". Only works with the format MAS.
It would be great to put at the disposal of DP8 this command as it is made available in Logic9 or in Cubase. Being DP a software much nicer and professional, this function should not remain only for the other softwares mentioned...

+1000 That´s one of the features I do miss in DP after mixing a Project in Logic.

MOTU please!!!

Yes!

Try to write this request/problem on their facebook page. I tried.
They are more careful when reporting these things publicly...

[amplidood]

Soundbites can now accurately reflect their track color. I is happy. I also like the subtle lane shadow enhancement for MIDI and pitch editing. Very nice stuff, MOTU.

[Dan Worley]

So, with Smart Selections on, copy some notes which begin at, say, 5|3|240, then move the wiper to bar 10 and Paste to Wiper, and DP will paste the data at 10|3|240.

Yes, and it's awesome! The only exception to this is if you place the wiper too close to the end of a measure, then PTW will paste into the next measure. I don't know the reason for that, or exactly how close the wiper has to be to the end of the measure before it happens, but maybe there's an intended purpose for that behavior.

[James Steele]

Hey... evolution is painful. But we're seeing the evolution of the world's best DAW! Yes, it's flawed, but still... I can't dream of using anything else. That's my fanboy post for the day. My apologies!