Using V-Rack

[sampolfonz]

I moved my master fader over to a v-rack, but how to I automate that master fader in the mix of the sequence?

Always before, I put the master fader automation in a master track...with it now in a v-rack, I can't find a place to automate it in the sequence.

Thanks,

Rich

[bayswater]

You can put another master fader in the sequence, or you could bring the sound in the V-Rack to an Aux track in the sequence and add automation to that.

Not sure if that helps because I don't know why you put a master fader in the V-Rack.

[sampolfonz]

Never used v-racks before.

Normally, I have a master fader in the sequence so that I can fade in beginning or fade out the ending.

I want to do the same thing now, but trying to move everything to v-rack to conserve resources and load times.

So you are saying send everything out to the vrack, bus the v-rack back in to the sequence by another Master Fader or an Aux?

Thanks,

Rich

[bayswater]

Yes. You don't save resources by putting the master fader for the entire mix in the V-Rack.

Someone in an earlier thread suggested that it helps to think of a V-Rack as a physical rack of real synths. You send MIDI out from your sequencer to it, and patch the resulting audio from it back into your sequencer. You can send MIDI from any number of sequences to it, and get the audio back into the same project, and use it in any sequence. I find this analogy helps to figure out the best places to do things like effects, automation, mixing, etc.

[sampolfonz]

I have three things in V-Rack

Master Fader
Voc Bus
Mus Bus

Tracks in sequence are either routed to Voc Bus or Mus Bus. The inputs are set to receive.

I'm now trying to route these (voc bus, mus bus) to the Master fader in the V-Rack. There is no where to set the input for the master fader to receive anything from these tracks.

I end up setting the Master output to 19-20 and the Voc Bus and Mus Bus output to 19-20 and I now see signal in the Master fader.

Two things: the inserts in the master fader are not processing anything. No light action in the displays and then how do I output the signal from the Master Fader to a bus to go back into sequence to automate?

Still not getting this...

Rich

[bayswater]

I have three things in V-Rack

Master Fader
Voc Bus
Mus Bus

Tracks in sequence are either routed to Voc Bus or Mus Bus. The inputs are set to receive.

I'm now trying to route these (voc bus, mus bus) to the Master fader in the V-Rack. There is no where to set the input for the master fader to receive anything from these tracks.

I end up setting the Master output to 19-20 and the Voc Bus and Mus Bus output to 19-20 and I now see signal in the Master fader.

Two things: the inserts in the master fader are not processing anything. No light action in the displays and then how do I output the signal from the Master Fader to a bus to go back into sequence to automate?

Still not getting this...

Rich

You don't define an input for a Master Fader. You only define the output pair or bus, and it then controls the overall level of everything routed to that output pair or bus.

Rather than try to route the output of the Master Fader to other tracks, why not simply route the two items in the V-Rack to an Aux track in the sequence, and put the automation on the Aux?

Maybe I'm not understanding what you are trying to do. In the link below there is an example of a small project that has two MIDI tracks routed to two VIs that are contained in a V-Rack. The VI outputs go to Bus 3-4. Just for fun, the sequence also has an audio track that takes input on Bus 3-4 and outputs to Bus 1-2 that could be used to print the processed output of the VIs if routed to a new Audio track with Bus 1-2 as the input pair.

You could insert effects on the Master Fader, and put automation there. I don't think I've ever put a Master Fader in a V-Rack. I have put Aux channels in them. There's one in the example, but it is not being used. There is also one in the main sequence chunk. Notice that the one in the V-Rack cannot handle automation, but the one in the sequence can.

Also, notice that there is a Master Fader in the V-Rack also controlling Bus 3-4 like the one in the main sequence. It can take inserts, but it can't contain automation.

In theory you can have as many Master Faders as you want, but only one will work on a specific bus at any one time. I can't remember if it's the one furthest right or furthest left on the mixer, but that's in the manual. In this example, because there is one in the main chunk and one in the V-Rack, I'm not sure which would take precedence on Bus 3-4. (EDIT: I guess it would be the V-Rack Master Fader. The other one has a muted fader image)

http://heavyethics.com/DPAV/EG.JPG