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Problems with "Bounce Track" using VEPro 5

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Hi -

I recently revamped my modest studio and added a MacMini. The MacMini is dedicated to DP8 and I use my Mac Pro as the "slave computer". The software of choice to communicate between the two computers is VSL's VEPro 5. It works WONDERFULLY. . . .

. . . . except for when using DP8's "Bounce Track" feature. It just ain't mixing down. I am sure that it's user error. So, this "user" seeks help! :(

The Mac Pro configuration is noted below in my signature line. The MacMini is the i7 2.6 (4-core) version with 16 GBs RAM and an SSD as its main drive. I have two USB-3 external drives for the MacMini. Both drives are SSDs: one is to house samples and the other to house projects. The audio device is MOTU's 828 MK3 via the MacMini's Firewire 800 port.

It should be noted that I use ALL of the VIs from the "slave computer" (Mac Pro).

Like I said, everything works fine. I have relatively low latency when I sequence and playback. Actually the latency set to DP8 is 128 (and the CPU usage is very, very minimal!) (I wonder if setting the latency so low could be the problem?)

The 828 MK3 is connect to my MacPro MOTU 2408 MK3 via the digital light ports.

When I go to bounce track (mixdown the music), I get strange and long-sounding notes. So far, the only solution that I could find is to use Adobe's Audition to record the mix-down from my Mac Pro computer. Although it's doable, this just seems like an awkward way of mixing down music. (I'm mixing down music for my very modest film-scoring projects, by the way.)

For those people who use VSL's VEPro 5 in similar situations, how do you mix down? What am I doing wrong??

Thank you very much for any suggestions. . .

:)

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Re: Problems with "Bounce Track" using VEPro 5

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Bouncing with VE Pro is horrid, if you have lots of plug-ins or instances of VE Pro.

As a test, try freezing instead. Works a treat usually!
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doodles wrote:Bouncing with VE Pro is horrid, if you have lots of plug-ins or instances of VE Pro.

As a test, try freezing instead. Works a treat usually!
It is nice to know that I'm not the only one experiencing issues bouncing with VEPro. For my first templet that I created, I am using a total of 3 instances of VEPro for a total of 46 virtual instruments. I'm only just beginning to experiment with my current set-up so I haven't used ALL 46 instruments yet. (I most likely won't ever need to use that many all at once.) But, like I said, so far, so good with the exception of bouncing everything down to a stereo mix.


I'll try the freezing tracks. Engaging Adobe's Audition program is another work-around. But I'm not finding any kind of MTC sync function with the Audition program. To make it work with this program I had to press "record" with Audition (on the Mac Pro computer) and "play" with DP8 (on the Mac Mini) at the same time. It worked. I just had to carefully edit the resulting audio file to fit the short video project I was working on.

It's all a learning process and experiment for me. I'm sure there's a reasonable solution to be found.

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Re: Problems with "Bounce Track" using VEPro 5

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So, for those of you who use VEPro in their set-up, how do you guys mix-down? It seems that freezing tracks is one solution. What other options are there when mixing down your project?
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Re: Problems with "Bounce Track" using VEPro 5

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Before I hand it over to the engineer for mixing, we do a live print or a freeze all VEP or VI tracks. By live print I mean out of the VEP aux cutting into a stereo audio trk.
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Re: Problems with "Bounce Track" using VEPro 5

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Labman, doodles . . .

"Freeze Track". . . . Never really used it before. Up until now, never needed to use it. But if I want to use the new set-up that I've created for myself (using DP 8 & VEPro 5 in a master/slave situation), DP 8's Freeze Tracks feature seems to be the best solution.

I just spent a little time, this morning, experimenting and learning how to use the the "Freeze Tracks" feature. So far, it works like a charm!

I thank you both. . . and this bulletin board. . . for the support. THANK YOU! :)

I think that I can NOW say that I have a personal "studio set-up of my dreams", one that can provide me the tools for my modest audio/video projects for a very long time. This is gold to me.

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Re: Problems with "Bounce Track" using VEPro 5

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zuul-studios wrote: For those people who use VSL's VEPro 5 in similar situations, how do you mix down? What am I doing wrong??

Thank you very much for any suggestions. . .

:)

Ted
Ted, I'm not in front of DP8/VEPro5 right now, but if you're speaking of bouncing *MIDI* tracks (using VEPro5 Event plugins), no - they won't work at all. This problem was noted some months back by VSL and they finally said that they didn't think there would ever be a fix for it...
OTOH, if you're speaking of bouncing *audio* tracks, that shouldn't be a problem?
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Re: Problems with "Bounce Track" using VEPro 5

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williemyers wrote: Ted, I'm not in front of DP8/VEPro5 right now, but if you're speaking of bouncing *MIDI* tracks (using VEPro5 Event plugins), no - they won't work at all. This problem was noted some months back by VSL and they finally said that they didn't think there would ever be a fix for it...
OTOH, if you're speaking of bouncing *audio* tracks, that shouldn't be a problem?
Yes. . . I was referring to bouncing MIDI tracks. I found a similar thread to mine on this forum where this issue was raised.

For this new set-up, my goal is to have all of the actual processing done on the slave computer leaving the new MacMini with DP8 to function more as a fancy (and expensive) sequencer (to leave a bunch of CPU processing for video if/when I work on my modest film-scoring projects). So far with this new set-up, DP8 is only working on MIDI information. I have DP8 controlling EVERYTHING that I want and need controlled within the VEPro 5 and virtual instruments on the "slave computer". This includes mixing and panning. (With the MIR plug-in, a lot of that is kind of done already.)

With this in mind, I'm happy to say that DP8's freeze track feature seems to work quite well. Basically, I engaged a stereo audio track and the "working MIDI tracks" within DP8 and had a stereo-mix of a project recorded to it. Seems to work like a charm, so far. At least this was stable for the one small ensemble sized project that I was working on. I still need to trial a larger orchestral project, though. Another option is to record a stereo mix-down on my slave computer using a third program (like Adobe's Audition). This is quite doable but a bit awkward.

I'm off from work for the next several days. This will allow me the time to work on a new orchestral composition, finally. I will be using this new set-up (DP8 & VEPro 5 on master/slave computers) for sequencing & mixing. I'll share the working results of this when the composition is finished.

Thank you for the information and support, williemyers. :)

Ted
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