Changing meter in Waveform timeruler

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Now that there is a demo, there will be trolling. I know it's an over the top idea, but I wish there was a "registered users" area, or maybe a "demo questions only" area so we don't waste our time with one trick ponies like this. Obsessed with the soundbite meter representation yet misses the other 99 44/100% of what DP has to offer? Myopia at it's worst.

[Musicmind]

Quite a salute you guys gave me there!

I bought DP8 around 1st of December after reading Radiogal's impressive report from at sound engineer symposium i Stockholm. Also the interesting Videos from Vienna Symphonic Libraries with a handful of the most used film composers where 3 out of 5 used DP8 convinced me that I should test DP8.
First I looked for a manual. Not possible without owning the ap. No trial mode or download with limited trial period. I mailed Radiogal who replied that she was not allowed to send me a manual in pdf!
So finally I bought the ap from Thomann in Germany and a year pass to Groove3 and sat down with the manual and the videos by Eli Krantzberg.

So I have prepared and done my homework and tried a lot to understand all the features that DP8 offers. So let me say it this way I was a little pissed of by FMiguelez arrogant remarks about RTFM!

I read it! But obviously you missed the part in chapter 49 Tempos and Audio p. 615 where it says: "(how to) Extract tempo maps from soundbites that already have them", and " Make a sequence follow the tempo of a soundbite". So the manual states that it is a perfectly okay workflow to create the tempo map FROM the soundbite and later copy that tempo to the CT!
If you read p. 619 the manual explains - well to a certain degree - how the tempo from a SB are copied to the CT.
You also suggested using Beats, well again the manual tells something else. Look at p. 622 the hl. "What works and doesn't work". My piano parts falls in the first category: Ambient pads with smooth changes between chords and that's why I turned to p. 630 (are you following here? ) ADDITIONAL WAYS TO ADJUST SOUNDBITE TEMPO MAPS
And now it's going - well not so good, because DP8 "thinks" the soundbite is in 4 so when I listen to the SB and looks at the measure it doesn't fit!
I spend a LOT of time trying to figure out why and how, I RTFM but nowhere in this section was there any information about the fact that a SB CAN have a meter and that it will influence heavily on the way the SB is displayed in the WE, and that you have to change it in the Sound File Information pane!
The fine videos from Eli don't deal with matters like this. All beat detection is always executed on drum loops ( argh!) with beats on eights!

Well then I posted my question and after that I was so polite to post an answer to my own question if anyone else needed the information.
Then the honourable member FMiguelez entered with the question "Why would you want to do that?" !
I answered - briefly I admit - from my iPad saying again what I said in the first post, didn't wanted to use your or my time on a question that I actually had answered my self!
But FMiguelez insist on his point that the best way create a tempo map is to use the adjust beats, although the manual states it's not!
And later he is clearly lost, when he writes: "I participated in that thread, and I still don't see why anyone would want SBs with meter changes. I've never needed that. As long as the CT matches and the SBs are placed correctly in the timeline, that's all that matters."
Well nobody ever talked about SB with meter CHANGES, I talked about the meter of the ruler in the Waveform Editor and how that made it very difficult to create the tempo map. And frankly it is quite rude to end with "that's all that matters". If you don't have the answer to my question or don't understand it , why bother write?

Well then I sat down again and tried to describe the problem on more time to FMiguelez. But apparently I was rude - with no intensions - to suggest that the problem never appears if you work in 4/4 most of the time. Well obviously FMiguelez actually do a lot of recording with material that varies in tempo, but just never used the work flowed described in the manual.

Then MIDI Life Crisis (MLC) enters without understanding ANY of the substance in the case! Well MLC Imagining trying to create a tempo map of a rubato soundbite in 5/8 in the WE while the meter is in 4 and the metronome clicks in 4!!!! Well you can send me a video of how you do that!

Well at the same time I had bumped my head on the following subjects:

1) The way DP8 treats VI is maybe a gain if you are used to focus on the MIDI-parts when you edit and controls the instrument. If you are used to Logic, Cubase, Studio One, Pro Tools they all tries to "glue" the MIDI/VI together so it looks as much as a musician playing an instrument - an audio part. I prefer that.
2) I tried to use the Quantize MIDI-plug-in on a track with 98% 8ht notes. In the middle of the part there were some triplet and I tried to automate a mute of the plug-in right there but found that it was not possible. Kind of weakens the use of the Real Time idea.
3) My Euphonix setup isn't working that well with DP8
4) Opening a WE with the command+doubleclick opens a little window that I have to resize - replace and zoom to my preferred zoom level every time I open it. Not improving the workflow. And impossible to find information about that in the manual.

I did pay attention to your answers, but often your answers are questions like "why would you want to do that? I have never had need for that!". Sorry guys that is not answers it is questions!

I can see you are both very busy answering questions here and that's good. But shouldn't your starting point not always be that the persons that asks the questions actually are quite capable and even sometimes quite as clever as you? And in very rare situations maybe even smarter than you? (no no just fun! ).

[James Steele]

I've deleted a few of the follow up posts. I had a had time following this. Just don't know about this. I hardly ever use the Wave Editor and had no idea you could embed METER in an audio sound bite. TEMPO yes, right? But meter?

[Dan Worley]

Solved!
I had to change the meter in the sound file information to 3/4.
Well that is quite different from any other DAW I have tried. But quite effective I must admit.

I never, ever would have found that answer. Wow! Good to know.

But what if the soundbite plays through multiple meter changes? Do you have to split it in order to adjust it properly in the WE? I suppose so.

Whenever I've happened to notice the time sigs in the soundfile info window, they've always been 4/4, no matter which meter the conductor track was following at the time the soundbites were recorded.

Interesting stuff.