Do You Want/Need/Would Like MOTU to add "Mute MIDI Note"

[Michael Canavan]

Honestly though I would rather have the built in ability to restrain notes in a MIDI track to a range, (C-1 to C-4 etc.), that's something that would be really useful to me.

Do you mean something similar to MachFive's keygroups?

What do you have in mind, Michael?

Yeah, in every other DAW I've used you can assign a range to the the notes playable by a MID track, so you could for instance assign C-1 to C-4 and no notes would be sent out from that MIDI track to the respective instrument lower than C-1 or higher than C-4. You then set another track up to only play from C#-4 to C-8 etc. assigned to the same controller keyboard you have the traditional split keyboard with different synths. I have yet to figure out how to do this in DP. In Live it's a MIDI transform plug in, that limits the range etc. In Logic you can set the key limit right in the track. See where it says key limit there?

[Kubi]

Honestly though I would rather have the built in ability to restrain notes in a MIDI track to a range, (C-1 to C-4 etc.), that's something that would be really useful to me.

Do you mean something similar to MachFive's keygroups?

What do you have in mind, Michael?

Not sure if I understand the request 100%, but I think you may be able to do this already? On recording: with the input filter, or after the fact: with one (or two) split notes commands, and/or with a search, or else perhaps using a custom transpose (should you want to keep the event and just force it into the range?)

Just thinking out loud here, haven't tried it or researched the details, but worth exploring?

[Kubi]

Ah, cross post... split notes should do it, no? You can select a range, and split it out to a new track in one single command.

[Michael Canavan]

Ah, cross post... split notes should do it, no? You can select a range, and split it out to a new track in one single command.

Well it does it after you play I guess? What would be good is if MOTU had this as a real time effect in the MIDI tracks,then you could have live keyboard controllers playing two or more synths etc. in real time.

The guy who sold me DP originally switched to Cubase because of this, I'm not that desperate, Cubase is still quite a bug fest on Mac compared to DP.

[Prime Mover]

Mark my words, I will never mute MIDI notes. It just seems sloppy, at least for the way *I* work... I'm not looking down on others though. For me, I just like things that I'm not using out of the way completely. I'm a pack rat, so I don't usually delete things, I duplicate like crazy and hide away unused stuff, either in other takes or other tracks that I keep in an "Old Tracks" folder and disable/mute. What would frusterate me is, at least from the track window, or a zoomed out edit window, I probably wouldn't be able to tell at a glance that the notes are muted, and I'm sure I'll get confused about them at various points.

Watch me eat my words someday, though.

[Shooshie]

Honestly though I would rather have the built in ability to restrain notes in a MIDI track to a range, (C-1 to C-4 etc.), that's something that would be really useful to me.

Do you mean something similar to MachFive's keygroups?

What do you have in mind, Michael?

That exists in multiple forms, if I'm not imagining things. I'm not going to try to list them, because DP isn't open, and I don't know their exact names. I just know where to find them. Someone else can chime in and tell us what they are.

[edit: Ah, I see; you want it live. What about using key-zones in your synth, so that each zone outputs to a different track? I have done that often with my Kurzweil, and I have a few programs in it, saved for that setup, so that now it's just a matter of pushing a button. That seems better handled on the synth end of things, truthfully, and better edited in DP, where we have a number of ways of editing that.

Shoosh

[Michael Canavan]

[edit: Ah, I see; you want it live. What about using key-zones in your synth, so that each zone outputs to a different track? I have done that often with my Kurzweil, and I have a few programs in it, saved for that setup, so that now it's just a matter of pushing a button. That seems better handled on the synth end of things, truthfully, and better edited in DP, where we have a number of ways of editing that.

IMO I would respectfully disagree, it's better handled in the DAW for the simple reason that it's permanent and not reliant on the controller keyboard. You send a file to a friend and it's the same regardless of what controller they use. It's a minor drawback to working in DP since my other DAWs all have this feature. Not the end of the world for sure, but I would be quite happy if they eventually added it.

[Shooshie]

[edit: Ah, I see; you want it live. What about using key-zones in your synth, so that each zone outputs to a different track? I have done that often with my Kurzweil, and I have a few programs in it, saved for that setup, so that now it's just a matter of pushing a button. That seems better handled on the synth end of things, truthfully, and better edited in DP, where we have a number of ways of editing that.

IMO I would respectfully disagree, it's better handled in the DAW for the simple reason that it's permanent and not reliant on the controller keyboard. You send a file to a friend and it's the same regardless of what controller they use. It's a minor drawback to working in DP since my other DAWs all have this feature. Not the end of the world for sure, but I would be quite happy if they eventually added it.

Well, I'd certainly support it. In fact, I'd support an advanced I/O window for MIDI in DP, as it really hasn't changed much in 25+ years. It would also be nice if we could assign consecutive tracks/channels as we can do in audio, and/or some other well-thought-out assignment dialog. And then to have perks like your range limits would top it off nicely. Maybe a Pre-Snapshot matrix where you could push a radio button for each of the automation and control objects you plan to use, so that it could start out with defaults for all of those, instead of waiting for you to add them. I don't know; maybe I'm reaching for the sky, but if we're going to change the tracks system, let's do it right and go all out.

Shoosh

[Michael Canavan]

Well I guess coming form other systems I don't really have much to complain about.
I at first was all for object oriented MIDI, but now all I would like is to do my own phrase parsing, I actually kind of appreciate that a single track gets a single color now. I'm being converted slowly to DP's 'way'.

Mute MIDI notes is a nice feature for getting you to think outside of your usual way of playing, by eliminating notes super quickly, but it's by no means a deal killer. Same with being able to restrain the MIDI top and bottom notes. Mostly I came back to DP because it's writing process is strangely similar to Live, in that you can use Chunks to think of a song in terms of parts and rearrange on the fly to make major changes to a sequence right at the end with little or no stress involved.

I will say that I often think of using DP live, but I would rather not have to rely on my controller keyboard to split MIDI notes, since for each song in a set you very possibly would want different splits, and it starts to become complicated. Live is meant to be used live, but in some way Chunks are far superior to having to mute instruments to save CPU etc. and open new Live sets.

It's really too bad NI quit development of Kore because it's pretty dammed perfect in a V-Rack as a meta instrument with AU's and splits etc.