Any sign of DP8.1?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Well they can look into my tech links if that helps.

[jamesdunlopmusic]

Just heard from Motu...

"A '.1' release would mean a major update - ie new features that we couldn't wait for the next major release to add in. It is a bit too soon to be expecting this!
An 8.02 maintenance update is currently in beta testing and nearing release, however, so stayed tuned.... "

So fingers crossed 8.02 is released in a fortnight perhaps? This makes me very happy

[Killahurts]

I'm actually more concerned that they are able to release the Windows version soon.. I don't like it when MOTU gets accused of vaporware, even if it's not true.. not good for the image of DP. I would hope that DP8 for Windows comes out before an 8.1 release for the Mac.

On a different subject, if MOTU came out with a serious modern hardware controller for DP that had faders and allowed plugin editing, etc., on Windows or Mac, in this climate, this DAW would take over the world.

[kgdrum]

if MOTU came out with a serious modern hardware controller for DP that had faders and allowed plugin editing, etc., on Windows or Mac, in this climate, this DAW would take over the world.

+1 !!!!
It's almost incomprehensible to me that MOTU hasn't developed a serious hardware controller with faders etc.....
Considering their experience with both the hardware and software it puzzles me that they haven't tried a dedicated DP-centric controller with moving faders etc...for DP users.
There's many users who want a controller and haven't gone this route yet,I'd be much less reluctant to jump in if there was a controller that worked easily with DP w/ multi moving faders & made the DAW experience more tactile.

I agree this would bring DP to another level for users as well as a potentially huge new revenue stream for MOTU for users of other DAWs who want an alternative to Behringer,Mackie etc....

[Prime Mover]

Yeah, a .1 release wouldn't be necessary. Bug fixes are usually in .01 releases, makes sense.

Now, hearing MOTU look up and argue with you over the count of bug reports in? THAT makes me mad! For one, a single bug can be a HUGE problem, it may only take one bug report to discuss it. The fact that the person on the phone was snide enough to look up your bug reports so they could chastise you is just bad PR.

This is the first time I've ever said this but, shame on you MOTU!

[kgdrum]

A few of us misunderstood what csiaudio was trying to say :

[quote="csiaudio"

Oops I'm sorry I guess I wasn't clear at all...they were referring to the one bug report that I've made [/quote]

[toodamnhip]

if MOTU came out with a serious modern hardware controller for DP that had faders and allowed plugin editing, etc., on Windows or Mac, in this climate, this DAW would take over the world.

+1 !!!!
It's almost incomprehensible to me that MOTU hasn't developed a serious hardware controller with faders etc.....
Considering their experience with both the hardware and software it puzzles me that they haven't tried a dedicated DP-centric controller with moving faders etc...for DP users.
There's many users who want a controller and haven't gone this route yet,I'd be much less reluctant to jump in if there was a controller that worked easily with DP w/ multi moving faders & made the DAW experience more tactile.

I agree this would bring DP to another level for users as well as a potentially huge new revenue stream for MOTU for users of other DAWs who want an alternative to Behringer,Mackie etc....

It could be taken as a sign of where MOTU feels market share lies when they DONT develop a controller for DP?
They seem to like universal hardware that can be used by many programs, such as all their audio interfaces.
I hope the reason they do not make a hardware controller for DP is not lack of confidence in sales potential due to DP not having a big enough market share of the DAW market?
One would hope that MOTU feels DP has a big enough market share that any controller made for it would garner lots of revenue.

[kgdrum]

if MOTU came out with a serious modern hardware controller for DP that had faders and allowed plugin editing, etc., on Windows or Mac, in this climate, this DAW would take over the world.

+1 !!!!
It's almost incomprehensible to me that MOTU hasn't developed a serious hardware controller with faders etc.....
Considering their experience with both the hardware and software it puzzles me that they haven't tried a dedicated DP-centric controller with moving faders etc...for DP users.
There's many users who want a controller and haven't gone this route yet,I'd be much less reluctant to jump in if there was a controller that worked easily with DP w/ multi moving faders & made the DAW experience more tactile.

I agree this would bring DP to another level for users as well as a potentially huge new revenue stream for MOTU for users of other DAWs who want an alternative to Behringer,Mackie etc....

It could be taken as a sign of where MOTU feels market share lies when they DONT develop a controller for DP?
They seem to like universal hardware that can be used by many programs, such as all their audio interfaces.
I hope the reason they do not make a hardware controller for DP is not lack of confidence in sales potential due to DP not having a big enough market share of the DAW market?
One would hope that MOTU feels DP has a big enough market share that any controller made for it would garner lots of revenue.[/quote]

If MOTU made a controller that could be DP-centric while also working with the standard controller protocols like Mackie etc.....they could be used with any DAW that followed these protocols as well as work with DP.

[toodamnhip]

Well I have the Avid Eucon and it has been a game changer, very nice. But there are tricks to using it and installing that are a PITA.

So while I am grateful, I sure as heck would love a proprietary controller that controlled ALL 3rd party plugs VERY tightly, as well as standard mix controls.

[Shooshie]

if MOTU came out with a serious modern hardware controller for DP that had faders and allowed plugin editing, etc., on Windows or Mac, in this climate, this DAW would take over the world.

+1 !!!!
It's almost incomprehensible to me that MOTU hasn't developed a serious hardware controller with faders etc.....
Considering their experience with both the hardware and software it puzzles me that they haven't tried a dedicated DP-centric controller with moving faders etc...for DP users.
There's many users who want a controller and haven't gone this route yet,I'd be much less reluctant to jump in if there was a controller that worked easily with DP w/ multi moving faders & made the DAW experience more tactile.

I agree this would bring DP to another level for users as well as a potentially huge new revenue stream for MOTU for users of other DAWs who want an alternative to Behringer,Mackie etc....

Careful what you wish for. MOTU's hardware changed the industry, but it was never particularly easy to use. The wonderful powers of the MIDI TimePiece, for example, go mostly unused. I know this, because when I mention them to people they respond with a blank stare. Clockworks was never a walk in the park. Likewise, the interfaces for the audio boxes, including CueMix, have never been transparent. We still get people asking how the heck you are supposed to use CueMix, and while I have grasped and utilized its concept for a couple of decades, now, I remember how clueless I felt when ascending the learning curve.

Even MOTU's other software apps — all the non-DP stuff, from Unisyn to Mach Five — have been anything but intuitive. Powerful once learned, but always leaving you wondering if you missed something huge and important, or if this is all you get.

So, if MOTU designed and built a control surface for DP, it would need to be the most intuitive thing they ever made. It should be plug-&-play, pretty much knowing what you need before you do. DP Control for the iPad leads me to believe that they just might be able to pull it off, but that's software, and it's iOS software at that. Once the hardware boys write the software to make their control surface work, my guess is that it will be like learning Chinese.

But it would be great if MOTU has turned over a new leaf, letting the software guys tell the hardware guys how it's going to be, and not scrimping on the integrated circuits to save money. A control surface would be the perfect project for such a new liberated marriage of their work teams.

Shooshie

[kgdrum]

Well I have the Avid Eucon and it has been a game changer, very nice. But there are tricks to using it and installing that are a PITA.

So while I am grateful, I sure as heck would love a proprietary controller that controlled ALL 3rd party plugs VERY tightly, as well as standard mix controls.

Honestly that's why I've never jumped on the controller bandwagon,I don't have the patience or time trying to figure out how to get these to work,seeing all desperate posts from users of the Beringher,Mackie & the Avid controllers makes me leery,I might be fantasizing with my lack of understanding of the technology required to utilize a controller for a DAW like DP,but if MOTU could come up with a controller with a built in template for DP that also adheres to the standard protocols so it was easy to set up and use with DP,I'd be all over it!!
Additionally if the alternative to the competitors controllers with also has templates for other major DAWs while adhering to the standard controller protocols I think it would be a great move forward for MOTU and DP.
What I want to avoid and I'm sure many other users who don't use controllers resist is as you said:
"there are tricks to using it and installing that are a PITA."
That keeps me away from jumping in and I'm sure many other potential users avoid getting a controller for the same reasons.
If a company could come up with a controller that's close to plug and play
they'd have a new income stream and a very marketable product.
I guess if it was easy to do someone would already be doing it.
But a controller that has built-in templates for DP,Logic,Cubase,Live etc.... would have IMO a large potential client base for sales.

[toodamnhip]

Well, even though it has been a pain, the solutions, now that they’re known, are straightfoward.
1) Install ONLY the DP drivers and realize that the Eucon made drivers dont work in DP
2) If automating an EQ, after any automation pass, touch any affected plug in paramters to put DP back in charge of automating that parameter.

AFter that, there are other things, but those are the main things.
The benefits of having Eucon far outweigh the PITA.

As far as Shooshies worries. I think they are over stated.
**Most automation surfaces are pretty much plug and play.
**I personally would not compare the difficulties of clock works and the other units to the potential of a new control surface. With such potential benefit, users would be far more driven to “figure it out” and would indeed “figure it out”.
**The fact that it WORKED would make any complexity well worth the hassle.

I can see no scenario where MOTU made a control surface for DP that wouldn’t far out weigh the difficulties of using it.
And the forums here would be all a buzz with help from geniuses like SHooshie who bothered to take the time to unravel MOTUs tendency for unintuitive controls software.

So, being careful with what I wish for, I wish for it.

[Shooshie]

Well, I DID give MOTU credit for DP Control on the iPhone/iPad. That's a slick little app. If they were to make a hardware control surface that works as well as DP Control, you would get all your wishes.

Then again, if they make one that works as well as Unisyn, you'll want to chunk it in the trash. Which will it be? The coin is flipping in the air, spinning in the light… heads, tails, heads, tails… Better call it before it lands!

[tremo]

So while I am grateful, I sure as heck would love a proprietary controller that controlled ALL 3rd party plugs VERY tightly, as well as standard mix controls.

Well, not as tactile as hardware, but there is Neyrinck V-Control Pro. Factor in the cost of a used 1st-gen iPad (which runs V-Control Pro just fine), and you're looking at about $300. Still, I understand the appeal of "real" faders, buttons and knobs.

[toodamnhip]

So while I am grateful, I sure as heck would love a proprietary controller that controlled ALL 3rd party plugs VERY tightly, as well as standard mix controls.

Well, not as tactile as hardware, but there is Neyrinck V-Control Pro. Factor in the cost of a used 1st-gen iPad (which runs V-Control Pro just fine), and you're looking at about $300. Still, I understand the appeal of "real" faders, buttons and knobs.

I cant stand touching glass with all of it’s inherent delays. I dont think all that ipad technology is ready for prime time yet. There is lag and it is not accurate. When I get close to a finished mix, I am adjusting in .2 db increments. I could just see trying to trim a fader with an ipad....yikes!
Even the Eucon isn;t accurate enough for my liking at mix end.
It seems I always want 5-10 yrs in advance of “current” technology. I remember blowing out every new version of pro tools, eating up all the “new power” and wanting more. Same with DP.
The day .2 db faders moves can be made easily and sample accurate on 100+ tracks with 7 major plug ins on each track, and tons of bussing and VIs, is the day I might be happy...lol.
Like I said, 5-10 yrs from now.