Say it isn't so? Only mono panners on stereo tracks?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

3- is there a work around?
IMO
3- abso-effen-lutely, several in fact.

Actually - no. But as per your hint, this thread is likely done, dusted and put to bed.
Thanks all.
See you around in other threads.

The fact you don't like the workaround doesn't mean it's not there. It is and DP is and has been used on film, TV, and 1000s of other projects that are at least as demanding as yours. You want a different way to do it. That's cool, but your view that this is a deficiency in DP speaks more to your unwillingness or your inability to adapt/adopt the implemented feature - which again, the app is capable of. Again, that's cool, but don't blame the can because you prefer a bottle. The world revolves around none of us.

[Timeline]

Well said MLC.

DP is the best thing that I ever loaded on my Mac desktop, stereo panner or not. Love the alternate third party panner too BTW.

Matt. If you do check back to read this... You appear to have been around Pro audio for a long while and even DP, so why would you walk when DP offer so much other workflow facility that you will never get with Logic or others. Not logical, pardon pun.

Just hang with it like the rest of us. Although it takes time for some of our stuff, at least some ideas gets cherry picked into the software from time to time. Consider it a challenge to come up with innovative ideas that make a difference, maybe like this yours. The finally did user GUI colors and design update as a result of pressure from third parties digging into the software and making their own look to the app. That pressure apparently forced the update.

Not Viable? Not even close. I just finished one of the best sounding albums of my career in 7.24. Sonically I find I can really make records and mix music the way I used to and that includes MIDI composition.

This board sees users start wish threads weekly it seems for new ideas and many users throw in to add ideas. Yours is one of many and maybe more important too. This is a damn good thing and I believe as I mentioned, MOTU may only cherry pick our ideas, but eventually, DP becomes better. Yes I'm disgruntled about the speed of their updating and I may be waiting for ever it seems for just one of my suggestions to be employed like automating mixes in solo so you can update 12 or more BG vocals easily while in solo quickly. SSL could. DP cannot. Still have to turn off the other 50 tracks manually then write, trim or mute as needed. That's one my biggies actually requested nine years ago as well as this one from SSLs auto. I found it my absolute favorite. Update to end of a song button so you could lift or duck levels or write mutes or pans to end with automation without playing the damn song all the way to the end on channels. What a time saver! If they just did these two my mix time would shrink exponentially. Keep the faith. Bye Bye.

[jamwerks]

I can't think of one situation in which, when dealing with a stereo track (audio or VI), you wouldn't call up the trip plug. Maybe someone here could post some "evidence" to the contrary that I can't think of.

I have the impression that most who find no need for stereo panning, don't know what they're doing (or are maybe just in it for fun), and if systematically presented with two panning knobs, would learn and/to appreciate it.

FWIW, I had a conversation on another forum with someone about the stereo panner in the Apple DAW. This is someone that works for A-list composers in L.A on tech matters. Well he uses the plug furnished with the program, but had never realized that it actually didn't even work.....

[stephentayler]

I have absolutely no problems with DP and its features. I actually thrive on trouble-shooting and problem solving, so my comments on subjects such as these are always fuelled by my enthusiasm, and (absolutely) not a hint of negativity. I can always find a way to make the tools available give me the result I want. That is why I have so many different software solutions available to tackle all the challenges I face (on a daily basis). My open-minded approach has actually kept me gainfully employed for almost 40 years, taking in both state-of-the-art and traditional techniques.

So - imagine this scenario.

I have a stereo image facing me assigned to left and right.

I would like to now make that stereo image spin slowly around the surround (5.1) field, while keeping the integrity of the stereo image.

Now, I know exactly how to achieve this, both in DP and PT. PT makes it easier because of the dual panners, but I found a way to achieve the same result in DP.

Have you figured out how to get this result? Trim is not the answer in this case........

I cannot justify the expense of ProTools HD, or the expensive ‘Complete Tool Kit’ in order to run PT native in surround on my project/home system. DP however is the most amazing, powerful and affordable tool for just about any situation which is why I use it all the time.

I hope that my posts never seem to be negative or critical, but rather questioning and provocative. Occasionally things turn a bit wobbly, remember the ridiculous Varispeed/Harley incident?? Could never get my head around that.....

So I would always try to encourage any open discussion about techniques and features - surely that must be the point of forums like this.

Here’s wishing you all a wonderful new year!!

SWT

[jamwerks]

I have a stereo image facing me assigned to left and right.

I would like to now make that stereo image spin slowly around the surround (5.1) field, while keeping the integrity of the stereo image.

Now, I know exactly how to achieve this, both in DP and PT. PT makes it easier because of the dual panners, but I found a way to achieve the same result in DP.

What do you mean by a "stereo image"? What kind of surround panning uses "dual panners"?

[stephentayler]

I have a stereo picture that is spread between L and R. I want that image to move around to Ls and L - through 90 degrees. That requires panning the left element and right element separately through the surround field

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[stephentayler]

What kind of surround panning uses "dual panners"?

In ProTools a stereo channel has two individual surround panners - one for each side. In DP the surround panner only allows for adjusting the width and L/R position - therefore both left and right elements always remain in the same front/back plane.

Therefore you cannot spin the image.

But of course I can do this by separating the two sides of the stereo track to mono auxes - which is how I have been doing this.


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[jamwerks]

In ProTools a stereo channel has two individual surround panners - one for each side.

In PT, a stereo track has two knobs but those aren't "surround" panners. Surround panning is usually down with a joystick or similar.

[stephentayler]

They become surround panners if the stereo track is routed to a surround output - just like when a mono track is routed to a surround output, only two of them.

[stephentayler]

sorry, difficult to explain, you can sort of see what I mean bottom right in this image - I know it's not PT, but it illustrates my point!



I can't do my own screen grab as my version of PT here is not surround capable....

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[stephentayler]

...and when you double click on them, they open up like this

[BKK-OZ]

If I am understanding you at least partly correctly, I can think of three ways of doing what you are talking about within DP, all three use plugs, one is stock MOTU, the other two are third party.

The first method is to use the surround delay plug (MOTU). I didn't ever achieve the kind of effect you are talking about, but for one piece I did a few years ago, I did manage to get a stereo image to kind of 'pulse' around the surround field. I did this by working out the math of the delay, coupling that with a synth playing back a sample slightly affected by some granular synthesis, all of which I modulated with a few beat-synched LFOs. I managed to beat sync it all so that the sound appeared to move around in a 360 fashion. People would stand in the sound field and, over time, they would start to turn around, following the sound. Kinda made you sick if you listened too long.

The other way is to use Absynth (VI from NI). Abysnth allows you to use an LFO to drive sounds around through the surround field.

The last method is to use Panorama, plug from WaveArts, methinks it even has a preset to do something like this. I just bought it the other day, I haven't used it yet apart from to test that it worked in DP 64 bit (yep), so I'm not quite sure of all that it can do just yet. Panorama is an HRTF plug like HEar (the latter doesn't yet work in 64 bit).