Say it isn't so? Only mono panners on stereo tracks?

[stephentayler]

Just to be clear, I have managed to find ways of dealing with this situation in DP, and have also found ways to successfully finish my album mix projects, and my surround projects - which include concert DVD surround mixes and feature film sound tracks.

I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that I flagged this issue almost seven years ago, and that it has not been addressed for DP.

SWT

[Matt-in-a]

Thanks for all the input, especially those who have helped me so much, SWT, Radiogal, MLC and so on (apologies if I forgot a name or two).

MLC - thanks re your previous post (honestly). It's all good. I have hung around the interwebby for a while now.

To Shooshie. Ignoring the inaccuracies of your post (insults? not usable for pro work?), it is really quite unfortunate that you misunderstood the entire point of my posts. I had fallen in deep "like" with DP over a very short period of time. Great program. I wanted to love it. I was asking for help from the experienced users in this forum to help me love it.

Two points for clarity - I don't underestimate the interwebby at all, nor the talent on this forum, and the process where I mentioned real rooms with real musicians etc is called conversation.

I understand that you likely have to deal with lots of trolls being a moderator, but I am not one of them so no hackles need raising, no riots to quell. Funny you should mention the Grammies, because that's why I am here. I have only a tiny bit of experience with the Grammy world, although I am a little nobody from a little town just outside nowhere, just down the road from no-one gives a toss. The few Grammy nominated projects I have been "exposed" to over the years have just happened to have all been DP plus Finale plus Protools (always written and arranged in DP, always scored in finale, always recorded in Protools). That's all I have been exposed to, so that's all I know about that context. I am of course aware there are many alternatives. I was impressed by DP, but my focus was on PT at the time. I am now looking at DP. I come with a great respect for others, but also a sense of realism and humour (which I commonly find goes well with humility in people at the top of their fields).

Roger181 - ok - forget the the term "stereo" and think of them as two-channel tracks but without the ability to discretely attenuate both channels to create precise placement in a stereo field. That means only half your channels can be controlled at the same time - not ideal. The fact that a plugin has to be instantiated to get basic audio operations is .... surprising and unexpected. (edit: imagine a mixing desk with pan controls only on every second channel - not the perfect metaphor but seriously close.)

Hi mysterious Dave. My guess is you are from MOTU? Very nice app of course. Let me add my appreciation to the voices of the thousands before me even though I am not yet a DP purchasor. If there are no issues about patents and intellectual property, some of us would really appreciate (need) some more flexible (functionally appropriate) audio routing options please. Also, while not discussed here, the fact that the only 7.1 cinema format supported by DP surround is Sony SDDS makes things awkward for some (including me) as you can see from other posts by other people. Would be great if the Blu-Ray standard Dolby and DTS speaker layouts were also available for those where this format is pivotal. Many thanks. Matt

[James Steele]

I'm perhaps one of the biggest offenders in that regard and have alienated a few members unnecessarily by overstating my position from time to time.

Perhaps? PERHAPS?

I'm kidding you, Michael. But hey... confession is good for the soul! LOL People just have to get to know you and eventually find out what a lovable guy you really are!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

You thought I was confession? I was braggin!

[mikehalloran]

I am really fast with Logic and PT but feeling like a duck tied to a brick with DP at the moment.

The opposite for me. When editing a project in Logic, I port it over to DP, get my work done - much faster for me.

[Matt-in-a]

The opposite for me. When editing a project in Logic, I port it over to DP, get my work done - much faster for me.

Sweet - good to know. I suspected as much which is why I am giving DP a serious trot with a couple of days free. I have been using Logic since 1987 (C-Lab creator on Atari 1040ST) and DP for (at the time I made that comment) around 14 hours straight from picking it up to evaluate. Which incidentally is why I am here asking for help and not on a logic forum asking them.

Incidentally, you say you 'port' - are you meaning that there are times where you start in logic and why might that be? Or is it when others [edit: changed the word being into bring] bring logic projects to you the first thing you do is get the hell out of dodge?

[waterstrum]

even though I am not yet a DP purchasor.

Spelling aside, how did you get a demo version?
Folks have been asking for that for years.

[Matt-in-a]

Long-term trusted relationship with a retailer who installed it on my laptop and used his second auth to allow me to evaluate it for a couple of weeks while they are shut down for Christmas. It then gets trashed from my laptop when they re-open in the new year. I usually get dealer NFRs for products if I need to evaluate them, so yes I can well understand that an easier way for people to have a good look under the hood would be appreciated. Steinberg for instance offered over a red dongle with the entire suite of their products on it and a 6 month eval. Makes it really easy for those seriously looking to purchasE ( e.g. serious purchasERS.) (that won't bee the last spelling miss take you sea from me neether. Just spotted and corrected one immediately above.)

PS - for those who celebrate such things, best wishes for the festive season and have a safe and merry Christmas. For everyone who doesn't, enjoy this time of year regardless.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

FWIW, according to the EULA I believe that is verboten. It's up to MOTU to enforce such things, of course, but essentially that is a pirated copy.

Mind the plank!

[Matt-in-a]

Seriously. Damn - I can assure you that was not the intention from either of us.
What a shame.

[Shooshie]

FWIW, according to the EULA I believe that is verboten. It's up to MOTU to enforce such things, of course, but essentially that is a pirated copy.

That's not a pirated copy. If you own a 2nd authorization for DP, then you're free to let any one person use it. You can give it to them, rent it to them, loan it to them… anything you want as long as you don't end up using it on two machines at once.

I have a 2nd copy of DP, and sometimes I have had to install it on someone else's machine and run it simultaneously with my 1st copy on my machine. I've paid for both, so it's not a problem.
Again, just don't allow it to end up on machines you didn't intend for it to reach, and make sure that no two parties are using it at the same time.

Shooshie

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Well this is a new aspect of DP. Time to change my Rx. Thanks for clarifying that, Shoosh.

[Matt-in-a]

Thanks Shooshie, I really do appreciate that info. My relationships with the dealers and retailers in my circle is (are?) something I value and respect deeply - trust and ethics are on the top of the list.
Thank you.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

This is a new paradigm with DP8, is it not, Shoosh?

[mikehalloran]

ncidentally, you say you 'port' - are you meaning that there are times where you start in logic and why might that be?

I never start in Logic - ever.

Or is it when others [edit: changed the word being into bring] bring logic projects to you the first thing you do is get the hell out of dodge?

I couldn't have put it better.

My daughter is a GB/Logic fan and is one of those who is amazed by how fast I work her projects in DP - I render the audio first and port as sound bites. OK, she's married to an Apple engineer (we like him a lot!). His employee discount was how I got Logic in the first place (well, if that's all it costs, might as well try it).

I live 2 miles from the Cupertino Mother Ship - can't swing a dead cat without hitting an Apple worker. There are strict limits on hardware (often cheaper to buy refurb or EDU) but employees are often encouraged to hook their friends up on software purchases. The App Store now has it for less than I paid but some of the additional programs are no longer included.