Is Motunation a Place for me?

[Klaus]

Gary,
you are not alone with a MDD 2 x 1.2GHz, 2 GB Ram.
I run 10.4.11, 10.5.8 on them, ( also have System 9 for older stuff ),
with DP 7.24 ( also 4.61 for an old Digidesign Audiomedia card > SPDIF out )
Melodyne, PSP, Wavearts...

Not everywhere the newest, but,
hey, it works


Best

Klaus

[garyrice]

> Look (o/p) at the freakin responses you've gotten already on your hypothetical.

Yup. Despite my strong admonishment that I was using DP3 and Mac OS 9 PERIOD, I got a bunch of "your an idiot" responses - so typical of Mac zealots.

I'm interested in making music; NOT in engaging in platform wars.

To answer the legitimate questions I was asked:
- the manual from Amazon was about $10 (including shipping).
- the ebay copy did NOT include a license transfer. I bought it a couple of years ago during my experimentation with sound cards, OMS vs. FreeMIDI and the actual DAW software I would end up with. At the time, I had no idea about license restrictions.

I've purchased tons of software over the years. None of it was non-transferable until I bought a copy of Propellerheads Reason. When I tried to register Reason, I got a bunch of anti-piracy junk from Propellerheads Support.

Anyway, unless the content of the responses to my questions improves (present company excepted), I will probably just move on.


Gary

[kgdrum]

> Look (o/p) at the freakin responses you've gotten already on your hypothetical.

Yup. Despite my strong admonishment that I was using DP3 and Mac OS 9 PERIOD, I got a bunch of "your an idiot" responses - so typical of Mac zealots.

I'm interested in making music; NOT in engaging in platform wars.

To answer the legitimate questions I was asked:
- the manual from Amazon was about $10 (including shipping).
- the ebay copy did NOT include a license transfer. I bought it a couple of years ago during my experimentation with sound cards, OMS vs. FreeMIDI and the actual DAW software I would end up with. At the time, I had no idea about license restrictions.

I've purchased tons of software over the years. None of it was non-transferable until I bought a copy of Propellerheads Reason. When I tried to register Reason, I got a bunch of anti-piracy junk from Propellerheads Support.

Anyway, unless the content of the responses to my questions improves (present company excepted), I will probably just move on.


Gary

WOW! lol
I don't think anyone here has responded by suggesting in anyway that "you're an idiot"
I can only speak for myself but your reaction to people trying to assist you and advise you is eye opening & disheartening.
I don't consider myself a "Mac zealot" but most of us do agree in having no tolerance for piracy is the correct,honest position to have if you have any interest in seeing a company you support make a profit, be able to stay in business & be able to keep improving the technology.
My answer to you was not a statement in any sort of "platform war" but your reaction and reasoning about companies "anti-piracy junk" makes me conclude it's not our answers to your questions that need to improve,you've just proven to me you're oblivious,don't care about doing the morally correct thing regarding companies right to make a living from their works.
Trying to use technology that's been discontinued for more than 10 years and improved on many times is for most people an exercise in futility and I wish you success in your journey of self entitlement.
I for one am "moving on" in assisting you as I will with anyone with this kind of attitude.
Originally I gave you the benifit of doubt as far as the possibility that you were not intentially doing the wrong thing,your response just changed my mind as now I feel you were asking illegitimate questions and only want the self serving answers that are correct in your reality.
Having "no idea about license restrictions" isn't IMO valid defense when it's obviously become repeat behavior.
I'm not trying to be judgmental but your statement makes me come to one conclusion.
NEXT.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Dang man, I wanted to be the one who said... NEXT. But it's quite true that many of the members here who offer help can do so because they have the manual to pull answers from. And no disrespect, but we only have people's word on how they got their hands on the program. If you (that would be the editorial you) are unconcerned with such matters then we (that would be the editorial we) are unconcerned with your inability to get thru your problems.

Then there is the "sport" of pirate hunting which I enjoy almost as much as I do finding copyright infringer$.

[kgdrum]

well maybe if you were on the right coast drinking iced sump water coffee this morning you'd be able to say Next 1st.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Yeah. Three hours makes all the difference. I think of that the next time I see you're under 3' of slush.

[kgdrum]

your sense of compassion is inspirational.
I'm not looking forward to the urban winter wonderland

[garyrice]

I'm not quite sure where the word "pirate" came from. What I said was:

I've purchased tons of software over the years. None of it was non-transferable until I bought a copy of Propellerheads Reason. When I tried to register Reason, I got a bunch of anti-piracy junk from Propellerheads Support.

Notice the word "purchased". I firmly believe that piracy is wrong. But I also believe that if I bought something (anything) it is mine and I can sell it if I choose.

Conversely if I buy something, I should have the right to use it.

If a company attempts to subvert my position by attempting to tell me that what's mine is really theirs, I take exception to that.

Thus my comment on Propellerheads licensing.

Companys that base their business model on continuously releasing new versions to remain profitable are doomed to fail.

IBM has a more reasonable model. IBM doesn't sell anything. They lease it. As long as one pays the monthly lease payment, they have the right to use the product.


Gary

[kgdrum]

I've purchased tons of software over the years. None of it was non-transferable until I bought a copy of Propellerheads Reason. When I tried to register Reason, I got a bunch of anti-piracy junk from Propellerheads Support.

Notice the word "purchased". I firmly believe that piracy is wrong. But I also believe that if I bought something (anything) it is mine and I can sell it if I choose.

Conversely if I buy something, I should have the right to use it.

If a company attempts to subvert my position by attempting to tell me that what's mine is really theirs, I take exception to that.

Thus my comment on Propellerheads licensing.

Companys that base their business model on continuously releasing new versions to remain profitable are doomed to fail.

Gary

That's why companies have EULA's
If you reject that,buy the software through side door means and circumvent the companies EULA and use the software you are using pirated software.

Companies that don't make a profit are doomed to fail.

I can only speak for myself but if you go back to your original thread title ?IMO,NO!
Your reasoning in this subject to me is lame.

[kgdrum]

I'm not quite sure where the word "pirate" came from.
Gary

What you've said IMO is the definition of the term pirate.
keep digging.
over & out.
done with this silly discourse.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Pirate is just a made up word. The bottom line is are you doing the "right" thing and what "right" means may be relative and somewhat negotiable. What is NOT negotiable is what is LEGAL and what is not. I'm thus case, the o/p's use of the app is ILLEGAL according to the owner of the copyrighted material.

You may disagree with the law, or be ignorant of it, but that does not relieve you of of those parameters or the possible legalor social ramifications. In the case of this forum, the owner and many members have decided long ago that if we know you are using an unregistered copy that was not purchased from MOTU or an authorized reseller, you will not get ANY help here and could be banned from the site.

That action was not taken and frankly a thank you to Mr. Steele is in order.

OTOH, if someone doubles down and goes the way of resentment and/or displays a complete lack of appreciation and understanding, it is best for that person to "move on."

See ya, but I am glad I asked about the manual. It's a standard question, IMO, and the answer is often very telling not only in terms of app legality, bit in terms of the ethics (or lack thereof) of the respondent.

[kgdrum]

Conversely if I buy something, I should have the right to use it.

If a company attempts to subvert my position by attempting to tell me that what's mine is really theirs, I take exception to that.
Gary

I know I said I was finished but that's so funny! lol

The company subverts?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

If you buy a stolen car you don't have the right to drive. You may have the right to remain silent. You may have the right to an attorney, but you don't own the car and, in situations such as these, you have NOT bought the program.

Your rights may vary from country to country, but here in the good old USA, it's a violation of federal law to infringe copyrights and ignorance is not a defense.

[James Steele]

Conversely if I buy something, I should have the right to use it.

If a company attempts to subvert my position by attempting to tell me that what's mine is really theirs, I take exception to that.

You can take exception all you want, but it doesn't mean your position is true. If you look at my response to you, I was very sympathetic. This forum is known for taking a hard line against piracy. In your case using an very old version of DP on a very old OS really doesn't seem like it's any big deal, but only MOTU has the right to tell you it's okay or give you permission to do so. Behind the scenes it may not even bother them. I can't say. But technically, the person who sold you that copy had no right to do so unless he transferred his license to you.

MOTU doesn't have any obligation to give you any support and in your example, neither does Propellerheads. Propellerheads is probably especially sensitive because Reason has been pirated so blatantly I really feel bad for them. People are openly selling Reason on craiglist all the time. For all they know, you bought your copy that way and no wonder they tell you they won't give you any support. As for MOTU, I don't know if they offer any support for a version of DP that old.

Anyway, you do what you want to do. All I and others here did was try to inform you about the situation you were put in by the seller. You have also put me, as the forum owner, in an awkward position because I cannot condone violating MOTU's licensing. If I were you, I'd actually call or email MOTU and explain that you didn't know about the licensing situation and got taken advantage of by an eBay seller and see if they might be willing to work out a special compromise for you. They are reasonable people over there.

[mikehalloran]

7.24 work on PPC, but Leopard (10.5) is "required". However, if one bypasses the OS warnings, 7.2x runs under 10.4.11. I've been loving 7.21 under 10.4.11 on my Quad G5 for some time now.

Thanks for that information. Silly me for believing the OS warnings. Ha!

Still... I'm not going to try 7.24 on my G4-500. Actually, the only reason I installed it in the first place was to help solve that tech issue I have written about previously. I have no interest in seeing if 7.24 will actually run on that machine.

>DP 3.21, I believe, was the previous "gold standard".

Buzzy<

Thanks, Buzzy! Although no longer my issue, I knew that there was one version of 3 that was superior.