Wah Wah pedal in 7.0

31flies · Post by **31flies** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:05 pm

Hey all,

How in the heck are you supposed to actually USE the Wah pedal in DP7?

Thanks!

Guitar Gaz · Post by **Guitar Gaz** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:57 am

You should be able to use the Modulation wheel on your keyboard - which would have to be applied after you have recorded. It's more complicated to setup a sustain pedal to work with it. I will check how I did it later - its not perfect as its full on or off. But a better solution escapes me (ditto with Line 6 Pod Farm's wah wah). Anyone out there know a good way of using this?

DoctorOrbis · Post by **DoctorOrbis** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:57 am

You need to route MIDI CC messages into the plug-in's MIDI input to control the rocker position and switch. You create a MIDI track with it's output assigned to the Wah Pedal's MIDI input (don't forget to record arm the MIDI track), and select the controllers you are using from the plug-in's UI.

I've used both a rocker pedal and a Korg NanoKontrol fader as a sweep control. If you use a sustain pedal, it only sends full-off or full-on messages, so it is fine for controlling the bypass parameter but it won't work for the sweep. You'll need a controller with a pedal that sends CC messages over the full range (0-127 IIRC) to control the sweep with your foot. I used a Roland volume pedal plugged into a MOTU MIDI Timepiece to control it, but any generic MIDI foot controller with a rocker pedal should work just as well. Once you get it set up, it plays just like the real thing.

HTH

-O-

Guitar Gaz · Post by **Guitar Gaz** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:42 am

31flies wrote:Hey all,

How in the heck are you supposed to actually USE the Wah pedal in DP7?

Thanks!

Okay - I've checked it out and it was a useful reminder on how to do this.

1. Setup an audio track (e.g. Audio 1) to record your guitar and a MIDI track to record wah movements.
2. In the audio track setup the mixer with your usual amp or plugin and set to Record and Monitor (Insert A). In the next slot setup the Wah plug in (Insert B) . Make sure the Sweep Control is set to MIDI. Make the PEDAL CC number equal your controller number - Mod Wheel is 1 Volume slider is 7 Sustain Pedal is 64. Make sure the BYPASS CC is not the same CC number.
3. In the MIDI Track, also set to Record (you have to have multi record enabled). Make sure MIDI Patch Thru is set. Choose the Output of the MIDI track as the Wah Pedal - in my example the output is Wah Pedal:Audio-1:Insert B-in.
4. Check your controller (Mod wheel, Vol slider, Sustain Pedal) makes the Wah pedal rock back and forth. You can set the range and sweep of the pedal to suit your controller (for the Sustain pedal which is on and off you will find limiting the Sweep range to say 50% or more and the Sweep start to similar).
5. When you record, the MIDI track records the controller movements, the audio track records the guitar. When you play back if you don't play the MIDI track then the Wah doesn't kick in so the sound is minus Wah.

That's about it. Maybe Shooshie can add a tip to the tips sheet as this is not totally intuitive. Especially to us guitarists !

DoctorOrbis · Post by **DoctorOrbis** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:43 am

@Gaz: That's a good summary of how it's done, and I just verified it with my keyboard.

I'll add two tidbits:

First tidbit: You can record automation for the sweep position on the audio track. Just flip the "Pedal CC #" switch back to the "Ramp" position after you finish the take. If you're tracking multiple guitars in separate tracks, you can reassign the output of the MIDI track to the next layer without losing the foot action you just recorded or going through the hassle of setting up another MIDI track.

Second tidbit: For the classic rock wah sound you should drive the front of the amp model with the wah-wah pedal. This means that the wah pedal plug-in should be above the amp model plug-in in the insert section of the channel strip.

Rock on!

-O-

Guitar Gaz · Post by **Guitar Gaz** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:52 am

DoctorOrbis wrote:@Gaz: That's a good summary of how it's done, and I just verified it with my keyboard.

I'll add two tidbits:

First tidbit: You can record automation for the sweep position on the audio track. Just flip the "Pedal CC #" switch back to the "Ramp" position after you finish the take. If you're tracking multiple guitars in separate tracks, you can reassign the output of the MIDI track to the next layer without losing the foot action you just recorded or going through the hassle of setting up another MIDI track.

Second tidbit: For the classic rock wah sound you should drive the front of the amp model with the wah-wah pedal. This means that the wah pedal plug-in should be above the amp model plug-in in the insert section of the channel strip.

Rock on!

-O-

Cool ! Thanks for this - and glad you didn't take offence at me paraphrasing your method - I was putting it in a more idiot's guide method - basically so I can understand it next time I use it! Thanks for your help.

crduval · Post by **crduval** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:13 pm

Just to echo that last point, I recently used the wah plugin on a mic'ed lead guitar track. It worked perfectly, but it sounded a bit... unusual!

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funkyfreddy · Post by **funkyfreddy** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:24 pm

Call me old school, but I would rather route the audio out of an aux send and feed it into a real wah wah controlled by my foot....

Like I said, I'm old school

Guitar Gaz · Post by **Guitar Gaz** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:04 am

funkyfreddy wrote:Call me old school, but I would rather route the audio out of an aux send and feed it into a real wah wah controlled by my foot....

Like I said, I'm old school

Obviously an option - but this is quite useful if you want to amend any wah movements or add it after the guitar is recorded. Again its about being able to edit. Old school is good but new school has its uses.

DoctorOrbis · Post by **DoctorOrbis** » Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:17 pm

crduval wrote:it sounded a bit... unusual!

That's what I was getting at. A distorted pseudo-vocal formant does not sound the same as a pseudo-vocal formant applied to a distorted signal. In other words, the amp and the wah only interact when the wah is placed ahead of the amp in the signal chain.

-O-

31flies · Post by **31flies** » Wed May 09, 2012 1:45 pm

Great info! Thanks. It works!

One thing though, I'm using my sustain peddle as the trigger-- seems like the natural thing to do, and I get peddle all the way on, or all the way off. I've messed with the knobs and can't find a way to gradually press the peddle down. Mod wheel does it well, but for the sake of recording a performance while engaging the wah that doesn't work.

I'm guessing there's no way fiddle with the Axiom 61 pedal?

Guitar Gaz · Post by **Guitar Gaz** » Wed May 09, 2012 2:45 pm

31flies wrote:Great info! Thanks. It works!

One thing though, I'm using my sustain peddle as the trigger-- seems like the natural thing to do, and I get peddle all the way on, or all the way off. I've messed with the knobs and can't find a way to gradually press the peddle down. Mod wheel does it well, but for the sake of recording a performance while engaging the wah that doesn't work.

I'm guessing there's no way fiddle with the Axiom 61 pedal?

I use a sustain pedal so its on or off - but you can fiddle with the Sweep Range,Start, and Exponent to find the sweet spot. That is the only way I have found to get a small range of wah with an on/off type pedal.

31flies · Post by **31flies** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:38 am

Hmmm...I thought I could use the same steps to trigger the RXT distortion pedal while playing live (using my Axiom pedal.) If I set up a MIDI channel, how do I set the output to RXT the way the Wah pedal comes up as an option as an output?

If not, what are the steps to be able to toggle RXT on and off during a live practice?

Thanks a bunch for the help...got guys coming over in an hour and can't figure this out!

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