Logic More "Open" Sounding than DP?

Rush909 · Post by **Rush909** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:09 am

Don't want this to get into a which DAW is better catfight

... but I have been going into some my earlier LOGIC projects and it just occured to me how open those mixes I did sounded... it's like you can hear dimension in the sounds that I know I did not purposfully put there...I could just be my headspace at that earlier time, but it's pretty night and day...

anyone notice the same thing? maybe it's not the software itself, but the built in EQ/architecture/GUI/fx that force you to do certain things?

Anyone using DP and Logic on a regular basis and can support (or not) what I am hearing?

r.

oldguitars · Post by **oldguitars** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:19 am

aaaahhhhhh, not this debate again..........!

Rush909 · Post by **Rush909** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:48 am

I had a feeling I was treading on covered territory

... what was the consensus? anything reached? was it all subjective?

thanks...

r.

danes · Post by **danes** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:01 am

somehow I think my mix sounds much more better in logic than in dp..that's why I always use combination of both. sequencing in DP, mixing in logic. Tried to stick with DP but mostly no success. It always sounds better in logic (for my ears!) than in DP.

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:10 am

Doesn't sound any better at all in DP then in Logic to me (or Logic over DP)
I think it's all subjective..
..and yes this subject has been beaten to death.

thermos · Post by **thermos** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:28 pm

I had the opposite experience. I was doing some recording on logic in os9, and then did the exact same recording in DP in os x, and DP positively slayed the logic sound. Mostly the width and clarity of the stereo image. Still not a 100% fan of the DP mixbuss sound. For me the Dangerous 2 Bus really really really helps.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:25 pm

Logic and DP are likely identical in sound although plugs may differ..

oldguitars · Post by **oldguitars** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:28 pm

there are just waaaaaaaay too many variables to really compare....

Rush909 · Post by **Rush909** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:31 am

The first thing I discovered when I started using logic is how "seperated" everything sounded... same guy doing the same things, different DAW and things just sounded bad... like there is no GLUE to anything... I missed the DP "GLUE"... where everything sounded rugged, thick, dense, more "analogue" if you will...

Then I switched back to DP and listening back to the logic sessions, I now see that "seperate" sound as contributing to "openess" and "dimension", which is something that I find very desirable in mixes...

I guess at the end there really are just too many variables and each has to reach their own conclusions and use whatever works...

thanks!

r.

markwayne · Post by **markwayne** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:39 am

What you are describing sounds more likely to be a function of pan law differences between Logic and DP.

I believe Logic also uses 32 bit float for its mix bus. I don't think that is likely to have much of an impact on differences in audio fidelity.

Having just said that I do wish that DP would move beyond 32 bit float for its mix bus.
Please don't shoot me.
Wayne

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:58 pm

markwayne wrote:What you are describing sounds more likely to be a function of pan law differences between Logic and DP.

That was my thought too. It's always what I think when I hear this "more open sounding DAW" dealie.

Astia · Post by **Astia** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:50 pm

I haven‘t been checking out any earlier discussions about this topic but there is a difference. We have both Logic and DP in our 2nd studio and altough we only skip from Logic to DP the difference is noticeable. Even in mono tracks. Which is better is just a matter of taste. I prefer DP and our other engineer uses only Logic.

Rush909 · Post by **Rush909** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:01 am

you say logic's mix bus is 32bit float.... what's DP's mix bus? 24bit?

r.

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:36 am

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:05 am

oldguitars wrote:there are just waaaaaaaay too many variables to really compare....

Each application is basically the same.

The float is close to the same. The math method of float used at the fixed bit point of the IO may determine, to some extent, some sound change when comparing applications. Dynamic headroom?

Some very slight differences occur with differing math float methods, as I understand it. Also, the way the application talks to the IO can be more of an issue than internal float.

DP, logic, Steinberg & PT differ as per the type of math used in float within the application as I understand it.

Nuendo at least offer a float and fixed work environment. I have heard recently that they still float after fixed is selected but this is just BBS rabble.

Internally, it's totally a math issue and other than the piggishness of different applications laboring the CPU, no other effects are audible.

It's doubtful you would even hear any difference between the two within their own applications although higher float methods are out there I'm told so keep listening.

I have personally found differences when the applications audio files are played through another applications ASIO that are ten times more sonically badgering than internal float tone.