Monitoring inputs with 828 (origina) on Mac OS X Lion

bengarbi · Post by **bengarbi** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:36 am

I upgraded to OS X Lion and to the latest MOTU drivers but I lost the ability to choose which input is monitored via my 828 (original) using the MOTU Audio Setup utility. The list of monitor able inputs is basically empty. Other features of the MOTU Audio Setup utility are perfectly functional (including the ability to name channels).

Has any one encountered this problem or am I the only one left to use the good old 828?

And has anyone a fix?

Any hint will be highly appreciated!

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Benoît
MacBook Pro 15, 2.8GHz Core Duo, 4GB RAM
Mac OS X Lion 10.7
DP 6.03, Motu 828 (original), FastLane

frothy · Post by **frothy** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:18 pm

I am experiencing the same problem with an original 828, both with a new Mac Mini and an older MacBook. I submitted a Tech Note to MOTU abut this problem late last month and they said they were working on addressing incompatibilities with OS X 10.7, but as of the last software update posted on their site (08/10/2011) I am still not able to monitor input. Hopefully this issue will be resolved soon.

gklean · Post by **gklean** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:12 am

same trouble with a 896 original,... nice to hear that motu knows about it

magicd · Post by **magicd** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:53 am

I can confirm that the direct monitoring feature of the original 828 and 896 interfaces is not supported under OS 10.7. This is not something that MOTU can fix without an update from Apple. Essentially, OS 10.7 broke this feature.

Dave

bengarbi · Post by **bengarbi** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:26 am

magicd wrote:I can confirm that the direct monitoring feature of the original 828 and 896 interfaces is not supported under OS 10.7. This is not something that MOTU can fix without an update from Apple. Essentially, OS 10.7 broke this feature.

Thanks for this information.
Two quick questions:

1) Did you make Apple aware of this?
2) In you opinion, what are the chances that Apple will eventually fix this?

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Benoît

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:39 am

I hope Dave can answer the question, but seems to me hoping that Apple is going to make a fix in their OS to address an older audio interface issue when we are such a small consideration to them in their overall plan is wishful thinking.

bengarbi · Post by **bengarbi** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:49 pm

magicd wrote:I can confirm that the direct monitoring feature of the original 828 and 896 interfaces is not supported under OS 10.7. This is not something that MOTU can fix without an update from Apple. Essentially, OS 10.7 broke this feature.

Dave

Having thought about it for while, I had a hard time convincing myself that this cannot be solved by MOTU alone. After all, it is a question of sending the "right order" from the MOTU Audio Setup to the 828 unit so that the latter patches one of the inputs directly to the monitored output.

And as a matter of fact, the problem is not that one can choose an input to be monitored but it does not work. The problem is that one cannot even choose an input because the drop down menu is empty.

Or am I missing something ?

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Benoît

FutureLegends · Post by **FutureLegends** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:06 pm

bengarbi wrote: Having thought about it for while, I had a hard time convincing myself that this cannot be solved by MOTU alone.

Maybe it will just take too much time to solve the issue than MOTU can justify spending (time=money) on an interface that is, what, 10 years old?

bengarbi · Post by **bengarbi** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:29 am

FutureLegends wrote: Maybe it will just take too much time to solve the issue than MOTU can justify spending (time=money) on an interface that is, what, 10 years old?

...and which still works like a breeze

But yes, you might actually be right: fixing software for a 10 years old interface might not be a priority for MOTU.

If this is the case, I reckon MOTU should clearly state it, so I would then have an excuse to trash a perfectly functioning piece of hardware to buy a new one, and to thus contribute to pollute our dying planet

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Benoît

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:12 am

bengarbi wrote:If this is the case, I reckon MOTU should clearly state it, so I would then have an excuse to trash a perfectly functioning piece of hardware to buy a new one, and to thus contribute to pollute our dying planet

The planet is not going to die because of your 10-year old 828, so let's not be so dramatic. Maybe, if you're so concerned, you should do your part by not upgrading to Lion to save the planet.

Also, you can probably sell it on eBay and someone, somewhere who has an older computer can make use of it. I mean I've seen all sorts of arguments about supporting obsolescing gear, but charging MOTU with environmental irresponsibility is a new one.

bengarbi · Post by **bengarbi** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:58 am

James Steele wrote: The planet is not going to die because of your 10-year old 828, so let's not be so dramatic. Maybe, if you're so concerned, you should do your part by not upgrading to Lion to save the planet.

Too late, I already did... but you definitively have a point here.

Also, you can probably sell it on eBay and someone, somewhere who has an older computer can make use of it. I mean I've seen all sorts of arguments about supporting obsolescing gear, but charging MOTU with environmental irresponsibility is a new one.

Yes, I know: I've always been very creative

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Benoît

Dark Goob · Post by **Dark Goob** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:59 pm

/facepalm

Why would Apple change FireWire functionality in Lion, when barely any of their current Macs even has FireWire anymore? Why not just leave it alone for the sake of compatibility? Why permanently break features that certain drivers need in order to work at all?

Seriously it's really freaking annoying. I'm starting to get so fed up with Apple; they used to care about users and compatibility etc. That's what made them great for so long: on a Mac, "it just works." I had never heard of a "driver" until I tried a PC one time.

But these days it seems like they intentionally break as much of the OS as they can whenever they do an update. Upgrading to Snow Leopard from Leopard was nightmarish. But I was willing to accept it because we were going to a 64-bit kernel... makes sense that it would break old hardware drivers.

However Lion does not seem to have added a single useful feature to the OS, at all. "Full screen?" Photoshop has had full screen since the 90's. Any program was free to have a full screen mode all this time. "Gestural controls?" Could have just been added via a system extension. That's not a point-upgrade. "iCloud?" I just got used to MobileMe and iDisk and keychain syncing, now they're going to remove it all. Great, thanks for removing features Apple. Oh, and do I really want my 2.5 terrabyte photo library and 1.2 terrabyte music library syncing over the internet? Thanks but no thanks. Anytime I add another 8GB or 16GB memory card download to my photo library I don't want it getting added to my phone.

They removed Spaces, screwed up the scoll-bar (the most basic, consistent feature in all of computing), and evidently broke DP's ability to authorize without an update. How many other plug-ins and programs are going to have their authorizations busted by this "update" to OS X?

scattamah · Post by **scattamah** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:51 am

Sorry for the late reply - I hope you didn't throw away your original 828.

To set monitoring under Lion, go to Audio MIDI Setup app, select the 828 and turn off "Thru" for the pair you want to monitor.

Something between the MOTU Audio Setup and the Apple AMS is broken.

Greetz

S

Borgy · Post by **Borgy** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:57 pm

Thanks Scatamah! Just stumbled upon this forum in search of an answer to this problem. Funny thing though, it had been working fine (for several months) until I borrowed the 828 firewire cable to connect to a hard drive, then my monitoring went away when I re-connected the 828. Tried to reinstall the drivers, then found this thread.

THX Again!

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