Drum stuff

[31flies]

I'm trying to get some info on a double kick pedal and drum mics...signed up to two drummer forums and have been waiting for their admins to accept me, weird, you'd think it wouldn't take two days.

I'll try here, though it really has nothing to do with DP:

Anyone know anything about the Ludwig L312FPR Pro Double Bass Drum Pedal? It's cheap ($120) and these things go up to $600-700.

Also, would 4 CAD drum mics be enough for a 5-piece (kick, snare, toms with two crashes and a ride, and a hi-hat of course.) Wondering if I need 7 or more.

James, sorry of this is the wrong place to post this...on a timeline for my kids' birthday and apparently not every musician forum runs as quickly and as smoothly as this one.

Thanks for any help!!

[DoctorOrbis]

Here are links to some drum mic placement examples:

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For live audio on a small board, I use a small-diaphragm pair in an XY configuration above and behind the drummer's head, looking down at the top of the kick drum's batter rim. A large-diaphragm condenser about six inches in front of the kick, looking at the top of the resonant rim captures the low end of the kick and rack toms. This doesn't capture the low end of the floor tom(s) well, so a fourth mic sometimes helps. The XY can be prone to collisions with a drumstick.

-O-

[31flies]

Thanks Doc,

Helpful. Checking those links it looks like with proper placement 4 mics should definitely be enough, although I STILL haven't been accepted into those drum forums (after three days) and don't know what the right price point is for a quality double kick pedal.

Thanks again.

[DoctorOrbis]

NP.

Have you tried searching for drum pedals on eBay? Looking at prices from recent sales of comparable equipment should give you a starting point.

-O-

[Phil O]

Re: drum pedals. I'm not familiar with Ludwig's newer stuff, but I didn't like their stuff a few years back when I got my double pedal. I decided on a Yamaha pedal. I can't tell you what model it is of the top of my head, but it was under $300. It's got some really nice features. I really like the high end DW stuff too, but it's a little out of my price range.

Phil

[mikehalloran]

For many years, I used 4 mics to record a kit: Kick, Snare & Hi-hat, pair of overheads.

Depending on the room and the tom rack, I use spaced omni, M/S or ORTF. Sometimes, I will place it behind the drummer, sometimes overhead, often up and in front. ORTF leaves a center "hole" in the stereo image allowing the kick to sit nicely in the center. I never use X/Y in this situation.

I like a kit to sound like a set in a defined space. The stereo pair captures the basic sound. The other mics are there to add definition in the mix. Sometimes, I find that reversing the polarity of the overheads in DP makes the snare and kick integrate a little better - it depends on the room and the exact placement.

I can't comment on the kick pedal. I haven't played drums since high school - the double-kick pedal hadn't been invented yet - really.

[OMNICELL]

Hi:

Its been awhile since I looked into Drum peddles,. However. Its my opinion that you don't need anything over 300 bucks. Theirs allot of adjustment stuff that comes with more expensive peddles, and allot of hype, and smoothness , and on and on it goes..

Ive seen DDrum peddles, Pearl chain drives that work fine... Noise could be a problem... Im not sure for recording...

I would look at the Yamaha's... about 300$... Again, 150$ would probably do the job... Look through the drum forums, just remember the marketing for these things gets to everyone... Sooner or later their buying 600$ peddles they don't need...

Some of the best drumming in the world was done with Buddy Rich in the 40's. He was using what would be considered today to be a basic Peddle..

Their you go....

[mhschmieder]

My housemate's gone to bed, but I'll check what he has tomorrow. He's very picky, and has swapped his out a few times. We had problems with noise at the last session, and he took that to heart so has done some more swapping of components within the double-pedal setup.