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Post by stainlessbrown »

Is there a shortcut/keystroke to go to the end of a session (or track/last sound byte >| ?

here comes the lame question.. I can select unused soundbytes... then delete or remove from list (and can I just move them to a new/different folder?)... so the remaining ones (if I've correctly done a 'merge soundbytes" for all tracks in the 'active' session) I can export as individual audio files 'en mass'?...

I want AIFF ... and do I want Deinterleaved? ... right? that gives me individual files, whereas Interleaved puts them all into one (like a bounce?)

I have fears of causing myself an Excedrin moment :banghead:
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Re: 2 questions

Post by cuttime »

Do you want "Grow Selection to End"? Search the "Commands" window. Your best bet post the hardcopy manual.
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Re: 2 questions

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I'll have to look at that. (not a descriptor I would have considered)

I have numerous times while editting hit the |< button and gone to 0:00:00 when I editting at the end of the tune... >> isn't really a meteoric streaker.... and dragging the bar at the bottom... or the locator thing at the top is likewise a bit cumbersome

The Euphonix likewise lacks this feature

just something I'm used to from other ... things

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by 'post the hard copy manual'

my manual has so many posty-notes, they've become almost useless... I tried highlighting things but it soaks through and gets the other side of the page.... I've thought about scanning the whole dang thing
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Re: 2 questions

Post by Shooshie »

Stainless, allow me to describe a working method for using the materials at your disposal to learn DP, roughly in the order of priority.

1) Manual
2) Online Help
3) Commands Window
4) Forum
5) DP Tips Sheet
6) 3rd party videos, books, courses


If you have DP open when seeking help (which is probably more often than not), you might consider reordering the priority of those things so that Online Help is first, and for certain things the Commands Window would be first.

When DP was released for OSX, I found myself running to the manual a lot more than usual, so I made some index tabs:

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That helps retrace my steps so I'm not looking up everything over and over. Next, I printed out the Commands Window (and also made a PDF of it) and did the same there:

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Now the Commands Window enables live searching, so it's actually much easier to use it in DP than any other method, but there is something to be said for being able to scan, visually, the entire list -- 28 pages worth with the fonts section closed -- so that you can see options that you might miss scrolling through it on screen. These are just options you might consider. Also making a PDF of it (Print/PDF/Save as PDF) allows for advanced searching techniques.

How do you attack a problem when you don't know how to look it up? I'm going to list a step-by-step method for locating finding answers. 99% of all the things you want to know about can be found this way.

Step one: Open the Help Menu. Here you will find diagrams showing most of the features of DP, with a quick description of each. You may find your answer, or you may at least find some terminology that leads to the answer.

Step two: Look it up in the index. If that fails to produce what you want, you may need a more detailed approach. Read on…

Step three: If you look in the Commands Window, you will see that they are divided into categories. Transport, Selection, Polar, Navigation, Menus, and so forth. Look through the categories and decide which one(s) are the most likely to be the one to which your problem belongs. Then just sit there and read that section. Few of them are more than a page or two long, so it won't take that long to scan the list and pick up on the terminology. That's the point: read it so you know what they are calling things.

Step four: From there, go back to the manual. See if you can locate the names you just learned in the index. If so, read the entries to see if they include the problem you're asking about. From this you will determine if you are on the right track. Probably 90% of searches will end here. Sometimes you find that the item you're trying to find is not really a part of the category that seemed apparent when reading the Commands Window. If that's the case, you can go back to the Commands Window and repeat, this time looking for clues to other possible terminology, and using what you've just learned to help avoid more dead-ends.

Step five: Go to the FRONT of the DP Manual. Here you have chapters and all their headings. Most of the time you will be able to locate the most likely areas to search by looking at these. It's MUCH FASTER than flipping through the manual, and you will find that the headings cover all the topics. Even then, the specific terminology may slip through, but give it some thought and you might find it yet.

When I don't know something, nearly all my searches will end in one of these five steps. But there are things that are just not covered in the manual. Those may include workflows, mixing methods, ways of using the MIDI edit tools (drawing tools, etc.), or whatnot. Then it's time to go to the forum. Ask your question as carefully as you can, using the terminology you have just learned. For example, when you say "the bar at the bottom," or "the locator thing," I have no idea what you're talking about. I often come to the forum when I'm not working in DP, so I'd have to open the app, wait on my VI's to load, and search the windows to find whatever you're talking about. Use the name for things.

Using DP is a little like exploring a jungle. Don't enter if you can't take care of yourself. Call for help when it's really important. This isn't school, and we're not teachers. Sure, we share what we know, and are glad to help, but when a single post contains questions that are just all over the place, it can be a sign that you're just learning, and there's an entire internet of information out there to search and read up on things like the alleged benefits of one format over another, or when to interleave, and when not to. (not much reason for the latter these days, though you will find special cases -- such as side-chaining-- which lend themselves to separate R & L files for each track)

Very important: I am not trying to discourage you from posting. I'm just trying to help you get as far along as possible before you do, and to encourage you to focus a little more for your sake and ours. Also, use the terminology when it's possible to do so. Sometimes there are things that we just can't find a word for, and there's just no choice but to say "that thingy that makes the other controllers disappear" (Quickfilter).

If your search is running on a half hour or more, and you're starting to throw things and rip pages out of the manual, you should have come here already. But an ordered approach to searching will lead you to the right place almost all the time. When someone asks a difficult question that even I don't know the answer to, I usually find the answer in the manual, or in DP itself. If it's there I'm probably just a little more apt to find it because of my approach.

Ok, happy hunting, and I hope you bag some big game. Er… answers.

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Re: 2 questions

Post by stainlessbrown »

Shooshie

Thanks for the very detailed reply. I do truly appreciate the time taken to do so (I think this should be made into a "sticky")

I will implement them (and I wish my manual was as organized as yours... I'd be embarrassed to post a picture )

As to the interleaved/deinterleaved, I did search online (including here on Motunation)and while I understand interleaved ( beyond the continous data... as I understand it a 'stereo" file)... the deinterleaved... sounds more like I'll get a L and R track for every track I export..... and maybe I got too hung up on that and missed AIFF summed mono... or maybe I should export as .wav?


sitting by someone and watching them work would be ideal... however DP users in my area seem few and far between... a few posts on CL have gotten zero response (I even offered to pay), videos.... some work well.. others not so much. Books... seems DP 6 is the most current, which 'seems' like the manual is the latest info

and believe me I searched/put off coming to the forum for quite a while, before posting my questions and I'll admit I was frustrated last night
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Re: 2 questions

Post by Armageddon »

Interleaved = one stereo file. Deinterleaved = two mono files, one for each stereo channel. Most sound programs, especially DAWs, can recombine these files automatically, and others can import them into an interleaved file. There was a time when DP or most others DAWs couldn't record interleaved stereo audio, but that's no longer the case. General rule of thumb is, if you can record and bounce to interleaved stereo, do so, unless you specifically need separate left and right files for some reason. DP also allows you to bounce a stereo mix to a mono file.

Shooshie, I often find that the best way to learn about DP is to simply dive right in and figure out the where and how by experimentation or by looking around (DP isn't exactly Logic and it's really not that hard to find what you're looking for). If I can't figure it out by trying to find it on my own, I grudgingly check the manual. Failing that, I get on here and beg you guys for advice. However, I agree that, if you don't know what "interleaved audio" is, you may be in over your head -- it's not that DP is obtuse in any way, it's that the user in question might need to heavily research the ins and outs of digital audio before jumping into any DAW.
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