Turning a Room into a Hall (reverb)

[Prime Mover]

Alright, I've done some adjustments, and uploaded a revision:
http://www.ericbarker.com/dropbox/RainCameDown2.mp3

1) I took the time an pulled the drums back on the beat. It was bothering me too, I just couldn't put my finger on it. But now I think it feels much more relaxed.

2) In order to better process the violin reverb, I used only the signal from the close mic, and not the room mics, and did a bit of pre-EQing, and reverb tweaks (different IR).

3) I pushed up the cello verb up just a tad.

4) Great advice on the drum reflections. Since I'm only using ProVerb, which doesn't allow one to adjust the reflections and tail independently, I searched around for an IR that had much stronger reflections than a tail. The best ended up being MOTUs good old "Concert Hall"! I took out some of the boom around 180Hz to push it back on the stage a bit more.

[Prime Mover]

Sorry to bump this again, but immediately after I posted, about 10 new topics got posted and this went down a screen. Everyone was giving me such great ideas, and I really like what came out of it, I'd like some feedback as to the update.

Unfortunately, the drummer realized that I had slightly pushed back his drumming, he thinks it feels "off". He's a really nice guy and a great rhythm player, but I'm pretty happy with where the drums lie here. Not sure how to respond to that. He's offered to sit in with me and look at the individual places he has problems with. I'll take him up on it if I can find the time. But then again, everything feels "in the pocket" to me.

http://www.ericbarker.com/dropbox/RainCameDown2.mp3

[Phil O]

PM, I avoided posting earlier, but now that you mention it, I have to agree with your drummer. I agree that the original track sounded a bit rushed, but pulling the whole track back has created some other problems. If I had to choose I'd go with the rushed track, but you'd be doing yourself a favor to look for yet another solution. JMHO.

Sounds like you've tackled the reverb problem. Yes?

Phil

[jkramlofsky]

Hi,

+1 what Phil said.
And without wanting to sound harsh, but I think the drum part has to be replayed. I don't know if you recorded all instruments at once or if you did overdubs but the drums and the piano just don't interlock. You said the drummer is a nice guy so he probably won't mind redoing it. After all - it's the music that counts and you want it to be as good as possible, right?
Just my thoughts. Take care.

[Prime Mover]

Really good to get some honest outside opinions. Not sure if rerecording is much of an option at this point, I don't quite have as easy access to the space I originally recorded in, if I had to do it, I would have to close-mic the drum in a small room, which might be fine, but might not be. Before I go to that extreme, I think it might be worthwhile to sit down with the drummer, who is a close friend of mine (he's actually first-and-formost a bass player in a group I play in with the other musicians from this recording) and go over the original recording and pull things around more individually. That said, I didn't pull the track back as a whole, I did go through phrase by phrase and move things around, but maybe I went a bit too far. He may have time tomorrow night.