Sample Based Instrument Bouncing DP6. Give Me A Break

[magicd]

In DP6 Mach Five bounced to disk with no issue.

There are two different versions of MachFive 2 that you can run in DP. The MAS version does not yet bounce to disk. The AU version does.

By default, DP7 loads the MAS version of MachFive 2. You can change that. In the Digital Performer plug-in preferences, deselect the MAS MachFive and select the AU version. The AU version will now bounce to disk for you.

Dave

[David Polich]

In DP6 Mach Five bounced to disk with no issue.

There are two different versions of MachFive 2 that you can run in DP. The MAS version does not yet bounce to disk. The AU version does.

By default, DP7 loads the MAS version of MachFive 2. You can change that. In the Digital Performer plug-in preferences, deselect the MAS MachFive and select the AU version. The AU version will now bounce to disk for you.

Dave

Well there ya go - problem solved.

[dcoscina]

One question guys- is there any hit to the CPU or efficiency when running MAch5 as an AU as opposed to a MAS? I think the one disadvantage I can see right off is that the MAS version can load up to 64 instruments on 4-16 channel MIDI ports whereas the AU plugs have a maximum of 16 MIDI channels per instance. It's not a huge deal now that most of us run Quad core Macs or higher but I love loading my Mach5 up as much as possible.

Gotta say that I had largely ignored this as a plug-in until I decided to load the VSL disc onto my Macbook the other night for portable composing (only 8 gbs) and frankly it's terrific. A lot of clarity and the programming is solid. Given the low memory footprint, I'm going to add Disc 1 for general sounds. Yeah, the bounce to disc thing is a little inconvenient but as far as I can tell, Pro Tools 8Le also renders in realtime so it's no biggie. I'd rather get out of the habit of having tons of different mix versions (or stages of a mix) laying around my computer anyhow.

James, I sort of know what you mean about Logic. I used it religiously for years but started working on a film score and I wanted to pull my teeth out using it. No definable click tracks, no punches or streamers, just a real PITA as far as scoring is concerned. Stupid count-in that rolls a bar before making it near impossible to record a new tempo at a new section in realtime unless you move the whole region ahead a bar...

Now I know why guys such as Elfman, Goldenthal, Carlos, Giacchino, Desplat, Marianelli, Don Davis, and whole bunch of heavy weight composers use DP. It's quick, intuitive and gets the job done!

[dang47]

perhaps they will get to all the fixes by 9 or 10...."archaic"...i love that....james always defending motu......its archaic dude!!!!

[mess]

One question guys- is there any hit to the CPU or efficiency when running MAch5 as an AU as opposed to a MAS? I think the one disadvantage I can see right off is that the MAS version can load up to 64 instruments on 4-16 channel MIDI ports whereas the AU plugs have a maximum of 16 MIDI channels per instance. It's not a huge deal now that most of us run Quad core Macs or higher but I love loading my Mach5 up as much as possible.

Gotta say that I had largely ignored this as a plug-in until I decided to load the VSL disc onto my Macbook the other night for portable composing (only 8 gbs) and frankly it's terrific. A lot of clarity and the programming is solid. Given the low memory footprint, I'm going to add Disc 1 for general sounds. Yeah, the bounce to disc thing is a little inconvenient but as far as I can tell, Pro Tools 8Le also renders in realtime so it's no biggie. I'd rather get out of the habit of having tons of different mix versions (or stages of a mix) laying around my computer anyhow.

James, I sort of know what you mean about Logic. I used it religiously for years but started working on a film score and I wanted to pull my teeth out using it. No definable click tracks, no punches or streamers, just a real PITA as far as scoring is concerned. Stupid count-in that rolls a bar before making it near impossible to record a new tempo at a new section in realtime unless you move the whole region ahead a bar...

Now I know why guys such as Elfman, Goldenthal, Carlos, Giacchino, Desplat, Marianelli, Don Davis, and whole bunch of heavy weight composers use DP. It's quick, intuitive and gets the job done!

Well, the advantage to using the AU is that it limits you to 16 MIDI Channels! M5 is not multithread aware, so it only hammers on one thread and can cause you to get CPU overloads and glitches. By spreading out your usage over multiple instances you are using multiple threads, spreading the load across your processors.

And this has nothing to do with 64-bit memory addressing. 64-bit addressing will probably make this problem even worse b/c people will not pay attention to how much they're loading into a single instance. Unless of course MOTU makes M5 a multithreaded 64-bit beast.

[ccrane]

Just wondering if anyone knows if MOTU has or is ever going to fix the archaic system that requires a user to route sample based soft synths to an audio track, and then record them in order to bounce a session.

BTD aside, your sentence almost implies that you do not utilize the useful "freeze" function in order to render VI tracks to audio.

[Shooshie]

Just wondering if anyone knows if MOTU has or is ever going to fix the archaic system that requires a user to route sample based soft synths to an audio track, and then record them in order to bounce a session.

BTD aside, your sentence almost implies that you do not utilize the useful "freeze" function in order to render VI tracks to audio.

Been a while since I used DP6, but if I remember correctly, Freezing is exactly what MAS instruments would not do! In fact, I think that is still the case, even in DP 7.22. We're waiting on the fix for MachFive and MSI.

In the NAMM thread in the Tips/Optimization forum, there are several posts about MachFive3, which I'm sure would solve the BTD and freezing problems. Then we're left with MSI… One just has to record it in real time.

Shooshie

[ccrane]

Just wondering if anyone knows if MOTU has or is ever going to fix the archaic system that requires a user to route sample based soft synths to an audio track, and then record them in order to bounce a session.

BTD aside, your sentence almost implies that you do not utilize the useful "freeze" function in order to render VI tracks to audio.

Been a while since I used DP6, but if I remember correctly, Freezing is exactly what MAS instruments would not do! In fact, I think that is still the case, even in DP 7.22. We're waiting on the fix for MachFive and MSI.

In the NAMM thread in the Tips/Optimization forum, there are several posts about MachFive3, which I'm sure would solve the BTD and freezing problems. Then we're left with MSI… One just has to record it in real time.

Shooshie

Well I'm still on DP 5.13/Leopard, and MachFive2 has always 'froze' just fine. Never needed to check which version (MAS/AU) I was using but perhaps that was not an issue in 5.13.

I believe it was the move to SL that broke MachFive's ability to freeze in DP. Actually Shoosh, I think you told me that. I thought I had read that most other VIs freeze (though perhaps not bounce) just fine in SL DP6+. Is this not the case?
aadeazevedo had also mentioned routing "sample based soft synths" in order to record. At least in the 5.13 days, in my experience, pretty much everything was/is freezable. And since bouncing with VIs isn't a viable option in 5.13, fast freezing is a great asset. In fact I find faster than realtime freezing a very pleasurable experience indeed!

[Shooshie]

I believe you're right. And I probably did tell you that. I researched it pretty thoroughly at the time, concluded that MSI and M5 were going to be more trouble than I wanted to deal with, so I put them on the back burner until a fix comes along. Haven't used them since. I use Wallander Instruments and Vienna Symphonic Library now, which cover 95% of my instrumental needs, and which still function properly.


Shooshie