Vienna Ensemble Pro question

[thealps]

DUDENESS! You really need to get some RAM! I am dumbfounded that you can even open DP with 16 tracks much less open a reverb or something lol.

Just whatever you do, DONT buy your RAM or hard discs from Apple, they charge ridiculous prices for the same exact brand and spec RAM you can buy at NewEgg or wherever for 1/10th of the price. Seriously you should have like 16 gigs of ram on that bad boy Mac Pro you are using, and if you get 2Gig sticks x8, you are probably looking at $350 bucks or so, maybe much less if you find a nice sale

Broke? No kidding! LOL

Did I jump in a year or two too early? It's a Quad-Core Intel Xeon from 2007 or 8...

I think the cut-off was with 2009's or later, but check "About This Mac" to see if you are using a Duo Core or a Core2Duo.

I did that, but here's all that it "says":

Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro3,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 2.8 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 8
L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 1.6 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MP31.006C.B05
SMC Version: 1.25f4
Serial Number: YM8017VGXYK

What does RAMFro make of this, I wonder? Still "no good" in the context of this discussion? I'm fishing for some sort of time frame for which to prepare myself for the inevitable, eventual upgrade.

Thank you for all that info RAMBro; I owe you a board of chips... with mayo or ketchup.

[cbergm7210]

I admit I am patiently (kindof) resisting purchasing VEP and slugging my way through sessions with a "band-aid" DP/Bidule combo that routinely requires me to print MIDI/VI tracks to audio because the machine is choking due to the non-64-bit arrangement of DP-and-Bidule-In-Rewire-Mode setup I use.

(That could be the most convoluted sentence I've ever typed)

IE when DP gets to 64 bit RAM addressing things will be considerably better.

BTW Bidule is 64 bit but Rewire only lets you run one Bidule instance, and also, Bidule with Rewire only accesses one CPU core...where the rub comes in for setups like I am using.

[Frodo]

BTW Bidule is 64 bit but Rewire only lets you run one Bidule instance, and also, Bidule with Rewire only accesses one CPU core...where the rub comes in for setups like I am using.

And you've just nailed the paradox.

ReWire currently has no real "reason" to address more than one core. Why? It's meant as a stop gap in 32-bit mode. Think about it-- why use ReWire once DAWs and other apps go 64-bit? At that point everything can be run inside the host without software-based memory limits. Why would one even want to run anything in standalone mode once that happens?

Consider that Logic is already 64-bit savvy and (effectively) half of the Mac-only DAWs are closer to the memory access goal already. Will ReWire do a major update for multi-core use if they know that DP is headed for 64-bit world sooner than later? Probably not.

We're approaching a strange developmental crossroads right now. Will ReWire even be considered for any sort of update under the old 32-bit concept when it's on the verge of no longer being needed at all (as we currently understand it)?

Will users who've already invested in ReWire-compatible software have any need to consider VEP to meet similar redundancies?

That's why I suggested that Bidule would be easier right now for most people. VEP is an immediate necessity for those using more than one machine because it eliminates the need for extra MIDI and audio hardware-- and it does offline bouncing for all machines connected. This is something Bidule cannot do.... unless I've missed something in a recent update. I haven't used Bidule for many years.

For those who do not have Bidule but are running a later model MacPro, VEP really is a brilliant next step in the memory access department. Perhaps while running SL in 64-bit mode there are clear benefits with using VEP on one machine. It's easier to tell where things are going than it is to tell *when* they'll get there.

Why at this point is ReWire not addressing more than one CPU after all this time? For how long have we had multiple CPUs? Maybe ReWire knows something we don't in the *when* department.

[cbergm7210]

Why at this point is ReWire not addressing more than one CPU after all this time? For how long have we had multiple CPUs? Maybe ReWire knows something we don't in the *when* department.

Amen. I've wondered this as well.

And you've just nailed the paradox.

Hey, alright, F-Face! I like trying to nail things...vocal takes, violin solos, 2x4's on the latest studio construction build, a 5 lb fat large-mouth bass on a jig like I did last weekend...(I nailed, or screwed, that boat together I am standing on as well.)

[Frodo]

Look at the Bergie!! Way to go, man. I hope you had lemon and butter in your pocket at the time!!

You definitely nailed that one-- and it's not just a big fish story!!

[cbergm7210]

Sorry to jump way OT, but, yea, I do indulge in some home made fish delights if nothin' else than to keep the lake healthy by harvesting the Missouri Conservation Department recommended numbers!

Since I was a wee lad, it was always music and fishing...so not very OT for me...



Back to the quandary at hand. I am banking on a 64 bit DP by the end of this year to solve my problems in this area. Just being optimistic, of course.

[Frodo]

I am banking on a 64 bit DP by the end of this year to solve my problems in this area. Just being optimistic, of course.

No, no, no, no, no....

No bankY by the endY of the yearY. MOTU shows stuff at NAMM in JanuarY, then they tend to release software 3-6-8 months later. That's not to suggest that 64-bit compatibility will be anything to trumpet where DP is concerned in 2011.

I'm just saying that you'll do better before the end of the year with a partridge in a pear tree. What and when MOTU chooses to do what it does remains a mysterY.

You wanna do something fun before the end of the year? Take a hobbit along on a fishing trip. You will NOT stop laughing for weeks.

[cbergm7210]

You wanna do something fun before the end of the year? Take a hobbit along on a fishing trip. You will NOT stop laughing for weeks.

And that, my friend, is something I wish I could truly do!!! I need the laughter, I would relish the friendship!

Yes, I know it's already November...the time goes by so quickly...how 'bout 64 bit DP by the first spring fishing tournament that I am scheduled for in late March? I won first in that tournament in this last 2010 tournament at Lake of the Ozarks, so that would jive with my fishing MoJo...

[Frodo]

And that, my friend, is something I wish I could truly do!!! I need the laughter, I would relish the friendship!

We're going to have to go to e-mail or PM, but I'm in St Louis next month with a "possible" day off on the 14th-- gig with the SLSO on the 16th.

Just sayin'.

Just sayin'.

Tony's on Market Street? hobbit treat.

I'd settle for a bad beer at some dive bar in a neighborhood The Griswalds would want to avoid.

[Macrozonaris]

Bidule's one-core thingy isn't a problem for me at all. I have 8 VE Pro instances in my Bidule and all the samples are loaded outside Bidule, in slaves or in Kontakt's, Omnisphere's and Trilian's memory servers on the host. Bidule is doing a LOT of work with hosting AU:s, doing MIDI, audio, mixing and routing and still my all the 8 cores in my Mac show exactly the amount of processing %.

[monkey man]

I did that, but here's all that it "says":

Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro3,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 2.8 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 8
L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 1.6 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MP31.006C.B05
SMC Version: 1.25f4
Serial Number: YM8017VGXYK

Looks like you went past "About This Mac" into "More Info". But from the looks of things, the 3,1 model identifier started in March, 2009-- so you're admirably current.

Really? That's fantastic, Soil Stamper! Thank you. It's a sad indictment on my state that I honestly couldn't (and still can't) remember which year I upgraded. I s'pose I was convinced I'd not have to think about it again for so long that it didn't matter. Thanks to you, I'm now doubly convinced. Yay!

The About This Mac page only "says" 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon, Hobby. I promise! I had no choice but to delve DPer, where it only repeated said spec verbatim.

Now-- Monkster.... 2GB RAM? You're running that machine with 256MB of RAM per processor?

Ha!

Well, it smokes my MonkeyLabs 8bit BS Detector in terms of raw processing power, and the detector boasts only 16k of RAM, less than I suspect your taste buds could even detect given your preference for terror bites.

I've been trying to organise RAM for several months now as I'm concerned that if I don't get it soon it'll become too pricey. Waiting for PoCo and Pod buyers (x2) to cough up. It was always the plan to wait 'till the hype died down. Not sure if the embarrassment's been worth it though.

Edit: Christopher, thank you for chiming in; explanation above.

[sinkd]

You can actually boot an intel mac to 64 bit? How? Or, do newer intel machines automatically switch??? I'll drink the 64bit

If your machine is a Core2Duo and not a DuoCore (in Snow Leo), restart and hold the "6" and "4" keys. If you want to go back to the 32-bit kernel, guess what? Restart with the "3" and "2" keys held during startup.

N.B.: You cannot run UAD cards in SL booted in 64-bit mode. Probably some other hardware compatibility issues as well.

DS