DP7.2 Project File Resource Offsets Always Damaged [SOLVED]

[kassonica]

[Snow Leopard] was $30 in this part of the world. Not sure how much it would be in Australia.

You know, ya gotta hand it to Apple. The "world's most modern operating system" is also one of the world's cheapest. They could have been sticking it to us for upgrades all along, but these big cats have come cheaply. Any less would be giving them away.

Shooshie

$39 in oz, amazing really

[zed]

They could have been sticking it to us for upgrades all along, but these big cats have come cheaply. Any less would be giving them away.

Shooshie

$39 in oz, amazing really

Well I didn't begrudge them the $30, but personally I think that the upgrades *should* be free. Even that $30 probably shouldn't have been charged since we do pay a lot of money to purchase Apple hardware, and to keep repurchasing it every few years on account of them constantly adapting the technologies. If it was more than $30 (or $39 in Australia) I would be a little be a little put off. But at least at this price, once for every major release, it is certainly within reason.

[monkey man]

... and in reach of the budget-challenged such as yours truly. Thank you Shoosh, Zed and Mark.

This is good news. I'm long overdue for a drive and RAM update - I've a broken and a working 500, a 300 and a 180G. Larger drives and some external backup would be wonderful. RAM, drives and an OS sound exciting as a "package" upgrade...

Update: Trashing prefs had no effect. Plundering on. Partition wipe and 7.0 test next up.

[monkey man]

Update:

Firstly, and as an aside, I discovered that it was 7.12 that dropped the Reverse plug. Invert Phase was installed by my 7.00 disc and was still present after the .12 update. The DP7.20 & .21 installers however dispensed with it. So...

7.12 No Reverse
7.20 No Invert Phase

OK, so I Installed DP7.00 on a clean partition, the DP7.12 ud, the MOTU Audio PCI & MIDI drivers and the L6 4.7.1 Audio/MIDI drivers, testing DP's file saves including ones with the L6 drivers freshly installed, then active, then with track-instantiated L6 inputs, and created disk images between each incremental update. Great news (6 hours later) - All resultant project files checked out OK. Yay!

After installing the DP7.20 ud, the issue returned though. So, to verify this finding I uninstalled DP7.21 from my fat, "fun" partition and installed 7.12. It's saved files are just fine, so the obvious conclusion is that it's a DP issue. That said, I'm still on 10.5.5 as I've not yet been able to download the recommended 10.5.8. Could this be the cause of the problem? If it were, how come nobody else seems to have encountered it?

I'll upgrade to Snow Leo as soon as possible, and will hold my breath when I make my first DP save; this whole thing is a big deal to me, especially because the only dry input I have from the variax is through the USB port. For some inexplicable reason, the L6 unit only reflects conventional guitars and basses at its dry/DI outs and not its own digital guitar. Cynics would say it's all part of a ploy to force us into the ITB realm. Given that they've dropped any meaningful sysex support and that selecting amps calls up matched cabinets even if one only wants to change amps as one could in all previous versions of he POD, along with the dry output revelation, I'd not blame these folks in the slightest bit. All I have now in the POD Pro is, effectively, a USB input source and dongle to activate the POD Farm plugs. Oh well.

As I've implied, this issue's returning would threaten my very modus operandi, hence the apprehension of the result of the forthcoming Snow Leo update. Fingers crossed, and thank you 'Cornies for your insights.

[kassonica]

Update:

Firstly, and as an aside, I discovered that it was 7.12 that dropped the Reverse plug. Invert Phase was installed by my 7.00 disc and was still present after the .12 update. The DP7.20 & .21 installers however dispensed with it. So...

7.12 No Reverse
7.20 No Invert Phase

OK, so I Installed DP7.00 on a clean partition, the DP7.12 ud, the MOTU Audio PCI & MIDI drivers and the L6 4.7.1 Audio/MIDI drivers, testing DP's file saves including ones with the L6 drivers freshly installed, then active, then with track-instantiated L6 inputs, and created disk images between each incremental update. Great news (6 hours later) - All resultant project files checked out OK. Yay!

After installing the DP7.20 ud, the issue returned though. So, to verify this finding I uninstalled DP7.21 from my fat, "fun" partition and installed 7.12. It's saved files are just fine, so the obvious conclusion is that it's a DP issue. That said, I'm still on 10.5.5 as I've not yet been able to download the recommended 10.5.8. Could this be the cause of the problem? If it were, how come nobody else seems to have encountered it?

I'll upgrade to Snow Leo as soon as possible, and will hold my breath when I make my first DP save; this whole thing is a big deal to me, especially because the only dry input I have from the variax is through the USB port. For some inexplicable reason, the L6 unit only reflects conventional guitars and basses at its dry/DI outs and not its own digital guitar. Cynics would say it's all part of a ploy to force us into the ITB realm. Given that they've dropped any meaningful sysex support and that selecting amps calls up matched cabinets even if one only wants to change amps as one could in all previous versions of he POD, along with the dry output revelation, I'd not blame these folks in the slightest bit. All I have now in the POD Pro is, effectively, a USB input source and dongle to activate the POD Farm plugs. Oh well.

As I've implied, this issue's returning would threaten my very modus operandi, hence the apprehension of the result of the forthcoming Snow Leo update. Fingers crossed, and thank you 'Cornies for your insights.

Hey Monkey I'm a tad flush ATM and I will gladly buy you a copy and send it out.

PM your address.

[monkey man]

Mark, here's the address of the Ferntree Gully Public Mental Health Institution. I believe they're keen to study you:

8 Go Nuts St
Spermfree 'n Sullied
Smellbin
AussieTrailer

I'll PM you the full address shortly.

Dude, you've gone nuts. It's not for me to complain though, so... Yay! Yay! Yay! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You're a freakin' legend, man! Yay!

Cripes. This really is exciting! PM is on its way... Yay!

[kassonica]

Pm'd back

[monkey man]

... and right back atcha.

Hey, this is like an xml file updating with every tweak. Nota bene MOTU re ProVerb - that file, if you must use it, could update very time we browse our IR folders from within the plug, maintaining a "picture" of the state of things. A "force update" button could be handy for those occasions that files have been added to the library or it's been tweaked outside of DP. Just sayin' is all.

[monkey man]

Update:

Spent 3 days straight on this. Just took a nap after I caught myself nodding off at the 'puter.

Created base install and base install+net images for 10.6.3+4. Then I created images at every installation stage of DP, L6 and Yamaha drivers and apps for each of DP7.00, 7.12 and 7.21. In fact, I've run out of disk space! All installations of 7.21 still manifested the issue.

As a last resort, I installed DP on the 10.6.4 base (no net, drivers, 3rd-party apps, preferences etc), and lo and behold... files still damaged irreparably.

Going to rest up for a few days now and rack my chillbrains in the hope that something will occur to me. Not sure there's any room left to move though...

[mess]

[Snow Leopard] was $30 in this part of the world. Not sure how much it would be in Australia.

You know, ya gotta hand it to Apple. The "world's most modern operating system" is also one of the world's cheapest. They could have been sticking it to us for upgrades all along, but these big cats have come cheaply. Any less would be giving them away.

Shooshie

Snow Leopard should have been free. 10.5 was not a good all around update. Apple shot themselves in the foot with that release. They were so wrapped up in bringing the iPhone to market that they pulled a good portion of their dev team off of 10.5 and put them to work on iOS. Remember there was a delay in 10.5 shipping?

And cost wise? OS X is technically more expensive than Windows. For those of us that jumped in at 10.0 it's been 5 $129 upgrades and a $30 on a close to annual schedule. That's $675 for your operating system.

[kassonica]

[Snow Leopard] was $30 in this part of the world. Not sure how much it would be in Australia.

You know, ya gotta hand it to Apple. The "world's most modern operating system" is also one of the world's cheapest. They could have been sticking it to us for upgrades all along, but these big cats have come cheaply. Any less would be giving them away.

Shooshie

Snow Leopard should have been free. 10.5 was not a good all around update. Apple shot themselves in the foot with that release. They were so wrapped up in bringing the iPhone to market that they pulled a good portion of their dev team off of 10.5 and put them to work on iOS. Remember there was a delay in 10.5 shipping?

And cost wise? OS X is technically more expensive than Windows. For those of us that jumped in at 10.0 it's been 5 $129 upgrades and a $30 on a close to annual schedule. That's $675 for your operating system.

err what is your point....

$675 over what 8 or so years is less than a 100 bucks for an operating system that SMOKES windoze...

[monkey man]

Yup, and we didn't have to wait 7 or 8 years for MacroSoft to come up with Pisster.

Oh, and Windows itself was always 2-4 times dearer, wasn't it? Spreading this figure out is misleading anyway - just think of all those pesky service packs... and the internet security/ anti malware/ anti spyware software and all its associated updating. How much does all that stuff cost, eh?

Reporting in again. I can think of one small thing in terms of room to move. I accidentally opened DP's prefs window before saving the file. I had to open DP to auth it before I could create an image of the partition. Anyway, the only way to exit the window is to hit the "done" button, and even though I didn't make any settings changes, I can't help but wonder whether or not this made a difference.

I'm prepared to reinstall DP7.21 (the image is obviously tainted or whatever, and besides, it didn't "work" regarding solving the issue), on the 10.6.4 base installation and give it another go, being certain to simply open DP, auth it and save the image before I experiment with file saving.

Any thoughts are without reservation exuberantly appreciated. Bad Junglish, I know, but hey, I'm a foreigner.

[monkey man]

Update:

Forgot to mention that the AMS device-relocation problem arose in SLeo. I'd read about it on the board at some point, but had never experienced any device's being moved. All the units were spread horizontally over 2 or 3 screen lengths. Even after relocating them all and re-saving presets, as well as trashing AMS prefs in the prefs as well as the "ByHost" folder, the issue persisted.

So, it seems DP7.2x and SLeo have conspired to complicate my life, which is on the edge already. Nobody needs this; it's back to 10.5.5 and DP7.12 for the Monkster. I'm now happy for others (ie Apple and MOTU) to sort this out. One can't do any more than conduct fresh, basic installs sans drivers and 3rd party stuff besides MOTU, so I'm sooo done it's just not funny. Ridiculous, maybe, but not funny. OK, so it will be funny one day when I look back at this, but I'm temporarily blinded to the frolicking frivolity on offer...

[nyesonic]

Hi

new to the forum, thanks for being here.
Did you happen to raise a techlink about this issue - I did a few weeks ago and silence from MOTU.
While at first I was impressed by the recent regularity of minor upgrades I am getting increasingly chease(?)d off. 7.12 had problems with the missing soundbites list when opening some old (late 90's) files. They suggested I move to 7.2 where this seemed to be fixed, but now damaged resource forks on Every File!!!! I am losing confidence. Not to mention that things that were a problem at least as long ago as DP5 (not always switching windows correctly when changing between Chunks) are Still Not Fixed.
Is DP just getting too messy under the Hood???
If you hear anything from DP to help with this please post it (I'll do likewise of course)
N

[monkey man]

Hey nyesonic! Welcome to the forum mate.

I've been holding off on the tech link thing in the hope that this'd be sorted purely as a result of a flood of users' noticing the issue, but alas. So, inspired by your effort, I'm doing it now. It's taking a while for the sample project file to upload, but it's on its way!

Yay!

Sorry to hear this has been a problem for you, nyesonic. Learning of your plight does give me hope though as it proves I'm not insane... not conclusively though, but it does nevertheless. I think.