Did DP 4.6 "break" Mach Five 1.22b1?

[James Steele]

Hey everyone... just had to reformat a drive and install stuff. I had problem discussed in Mach Five forum... slow load times. I'm downgrading to 4.52 to see if it goes away. Will keep you posted, but I'm suspecting maybe this is something that crept in with 4.6???

[James Steele]

A follow up... I went back to 4.52 and Mach Five is still acting funny. I don't know what I'm going to do here. It is taking FOREVER to load instruments. I'm on Tiger as well. I don't know if going backward with Mach Five will help or not.

[studiodog]

Hey James,
When they added streaming, not sure of the vers. # , it got really sucky.
Yes that's the best adjective I can come up with right now.

I still use the older version and it's fine but doesn't stream. Go figure...

Anytime I try the newer versions with streaming, loads take 4 freakin' ever...

It has nothing to do with DP or the OS as far as I can tell.

<small>[ August 03, 2005, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: studio dog ]</small>

[James Steele]

Hey... thanks for that. I downgraded too to the non-streaming version... I think it's 1.08 or something and I'm going fine and even in Tiger, even though that version is not *officially* Tiger compatible. Thanks again. Hopefully MOTU will work this out. Some have said MOTU is suggesting processor upgrades or memory might be a factory, but I think it might be something else.

[studiodog]

And since this a Mach V related post, an administrator might move it. Just in case it gets lost...

COULD NOT RESIST !!!!

I love this board, it's the only place I can get my MOTU rants out...

And it's not ruled by a heartless, heavy handed admin...

<small>[ August 03, 2005, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: studio dog ]</small>

[studiodog]

And a follow up question...

Why has this not been addressed here before?

I know people have mentioned it on and off but I don't think it's really been thrust under the spotlight.

If the Admin of this board didn't know what was up then I think I'm right to say that this problem needs further discussion and a resolution.

Hey MOTU !! I want to stream but I can't ! It's BROKE.

Wow, typing in CAPS does make me feel better....

And an addition- James can't stream either.
I bet there are a lot more who can't SO FIX IT!!!

pleeze

<small>[ August 13, 2005, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: studio dog ]</small>

[richardein]

James,

I was able to load very large samples, such as gigaharp, very quickly onto my new install of MachFive on my powerbook g4 167 2 gig (after, ahem, I got home and plugged my forgotten iLok in).

However, UVI-extract does not work with a disk that I extracted with no problems on a different machine a year or so ago, nor does MachFive display the names of the loaded presets/samples/soundbanks. I recently updated the firmware on the Powerbook display, as per Apple's instructions so perhaps the culprit?

[James Steele]

I don't know. I have an old Sawtooth G4/350 that's been processor-upgraded to a 1.5Ghz G4. I also have some third party RAM in there too. I remember someone saying that MOTU technical support mentioning processor ugprades and/or RAM as culprits here, although I don't know why 1.08 would load fine and 1.22b2 would not unless they chose the way the instruments access RAM due to the streaming? I'm just guessing here. I'm going to just get along with 1.08 (which works) and bide my time until the MachFive 2.0 release.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I struggled with this since the release of M5 ver 1.12 (which never worked until I moved to Tiger). M5 1.8 was great, then 1.12 started the intolerable load times (if it loaded at all!) I complained loudly to MOTU, and finally went thru sales to get an answer. I'll post the MOTU emails below FYI, but here's what fixed it.

When I moved to Tiger, DP 4.52 crashed and would not work at all (even after reading the last word of page 531 of the manual . Eventually, I tracked the DP problem down to a bad CD ROM from MOTU and when I downloaded the update from the MOTU site, it loaded fine and ran well. So I thought, "what the heck, I'll give M5 1.12 another chance" and M5 1.12 also was fixed. So the problem would seem to be related to the Mac OS

But the problem you mentioned, Jim, is old hat to me. Fortunately, it somehow magically got fixed. Seems the reverse happened to you, so below is the MOTU solutions that were suggested (but did not work). Notice they acknowledge that the problem HAS been reported before. BTW, the problem seemed worse in old files and most new files in M5 seemed to be pretty good for the most part

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Jan 25, 2005

MIchael,
Here's the response I received from Jon in MOTU tech:

We've had this reported a couple of times, but we've never been able to reproduce this. One thing I would suggest is to try creating a new user with admin privileges. It's possible there might be something within his user profile that is causing some type of conflict with the samples being loaded into RAM. Beyond that, he may also want to try pulling out some RAM, trying different combinations of sticks to see if there may be an issue with his RAM.
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(Note: M5 started to freeze my entire system).

Nov 20, 2004

Hello Michael,

If you go to your Activity Monitor in the Utilities folder, does it tell you what is using the RAM/Processor? Does anything look out of whack here when running the latest Mach Five? Do you see any RAM being "held onto" by the program even after you quit that looks abnormal? Do you see any functions that it lists that look very suspect, such as a process that is using 80 percent CPU or something of the sort? Are you ever using the Disk Streaming functions in Mach Five? If so, what disc are you trying to stream from? Have you tried different disks? Have you tried running the Mach Five Sounds off a different disk, in general?

Thanks for writing,
Nathan
MOTU Tech

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Nov 16, 2004

Hello Michael,

When you say the system is sluggish, how do you mean? In terms of files, for Mach Five, there is only the Mach Five bundle in your plug ins folder, the Mach Five folder in the Library > Application Support folder and the preference files in your Users > your name > Library > Preferences folder. Once you remove these, Mach Five is gone. Do you have other peripherals/hardware attached to this machine?

Thanks for writing,
Nathan
MOTU Tech

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July 8, 2004

Hello,

Thank you for the update. I apologize for not responding sooner.

Try removing the iLok Drivers and install the latest version from PACE's website. Does this affect the performance on your machine?

Thanks for writing,
Nathan
MOTU Tech

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June 28, 2004

Hello Michael,

Thank you for your email.

We take any issues such as these quite seriously, so please help us in understanding these issues. Are you loading old projects with Mach Five? Do you have problems when loading Mach Five into a brand new project? Do you have the latest version of your recording software? What kind of computer are you running on? DP can never be force quit from the dock, unless it has just been started. As soon as it loads, you must use Command - Option - Escape to force quit.

Thanks for writing,
Nathan
MOTU Tech
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My original complaint:

The 'streaming' update not only slows performance of MachFive to a crawl when loading, but takes over the entire system (Mac OS X 10.3.4) so that you can't force quit from the dock! You can force quit by using the CMD>OPT>ESC keys. I lost access to everything on my Mac (running programs, Finder, etc.) while MachFive was 'loading.' Let me be more specific... loading the bank of sound was fast as always, but selecting an instrument takes WAY too long.

Loading even a small sample takes a very long time. A large sample probably will be unusably long to load, especially on the fly. It just ain't gonna happen. Also, the program shows all 16 channels as "working" during a load patch.

MOTU has not offered a link to download the earlier version (1.08) so if you want to go back, you have to have saved the earlier version to disk. Fortunately, I did and simply ran the installer and all is well again. But I won't be using 1.12 any time soon...

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(end note August 15, 2005)

I'm on a Quciksiler 2001, Sonnet 1.4 processor (I suspect this may have been part of the problem), with 1.25GB of RAM. The problem was in Panther (all versions). It went away with Tiger (all versions - although i haven't tried it since today's Security Update... better go check!)

MM

<small>[ August 15, 2005, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: MIDI Life Crisis ]</small>

[David Helpling]

I've tried all of the upgrades and none of them work (slow load times, clicks and pops and general flakiness). I've been using v1.08 for the last year 5 days a week and it rocks. I even got Kontakt 2 which is quite cool...but I just can't sink my teeth into it and just get lots of great, expressive programs going.

I've been waiting for the big Mach Five upgrade and praying that it is completely re-worked and designed for professional use...

[Bigworld]

Hi,

Can anyone iChat me a copy of Mach 5 RTAS 1.08? I need it to get functionality in Tiger. I have been waiting 4 months for an update which I don't think is forthcoming any time soon even though I was told two weeks ago one was being worked on "likely a week" by Motu. They have totally dropped the ball on this one in my opinion.
My handle in iChat is bigworldsound@mac.com. If you have it that would be great and much appreciated.

Doug

[blackcrayon]

FWIW, I'm not having problems with Machfive 1.22 on 10.4.2 (Dual 2 ghz G5, 2.5 GB RAM, 2408mk3 and 1224, DP 4.6)... Things seem to be loading reasonably fast (keep in mind that i started with this version because i just got Machfive about a month ago) and i haven't seen any other glitches...

Except when trying to change patches while a song is playing.. Bad Idea•„•!
(crash)