working at A 432 rather than 440

therayman · Post by **therayman** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:51 pm

I have been asked to record my next project at A 432 rather than 440 hz (see http://www.omega432.com/music.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for the why). Can anyone tell me how to set this up in DP?
I use a number of plug-ins for sounds. I also use Reason but you can adjust the overall pitch in its preferences. I sometimes record MIDI from a guitar synth and I presume the guitar synth will follow the pitch of the guitar once its downtuned. I have already recorded a few tracks which I guess need to be pitch shifted down (- 31.77 cents) but I havn't worked out the easiest way to do that yet. Any advice would be much appreciated.

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:24 pm

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Do you really believe what's on that site? I mean, like REALLY?

I heard their "proof" (Silent Night), and I didn't feel any calmer or anything of the sorts. One sounds a little flatter than the other, that's all...

Sorry I'm not answering your question.

mhschmieder · Post by **mhschmieder** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:49 pm

As orchestras have become less distinct in terms of instrument brands, etc., over the past two decades, I'm curious whether the standard tuning has also changed.

Is it even still 440 in the U.S., or 444 as I have heard is common for Hollywood? Is it 432 in Europe? UK? Elsewhere?

Vienna Instruments is at A=440, as I recall, but I forget whether they offer other tunings as direct samples vs. real-time pitch-shifting.

Are there any rules today about what tuning we should use, unless a client requests something other than A=440?

bongo_x · Post by **bongo_x** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:02 am

440, 441, whatever it takes.

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n2mpujack · Post by **n2mpujack** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:48 am

FMiguelez wrote:.

Do you really believe what's on that site? I mean, like REALLY?

I heard their "proof" (Silent Night), and I didn't feel any calmer or anything of the sorts. One sounds a little flatter than the other, that's all...

Sorry I'm not answering your question.

Don't feel bad - I felt the same way when I read that stuff. What a load of pabulum. However I wouldn't mind having some of whatever they smoke or partake of on that website.

cuttime · Post by **cuttime** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:49 pm

In answer to the question, the Apple AUPitch plug does an admirable job.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:45 pm

Okay... all the weird political/historical/nazi stuff deleted as well as other OT stuff. Yeesh!

Also, not sure what you mean? Tuning VI's to a different reference or being able to calibrate DP's pitch correction to a different pitch reference? I've heard rumor that the latter may be coming in the not too distant future, but don't quote me.

daniel.sneed · Post by **daniel.sneed** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:57 am

James Steele wrote:[...] Tuning VI's to a different reference or being able to calibrate DP's pitch correction to a different pitch reference? I've heard rumor that the latter may be coming in the not too distant future, but don't quote me.

You've got me, James! I've been waiting for this for a long time now. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

n2mpujack · Post by **n2mpujack** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:00 am

James Steele wrote:Okay... all the weird political/historical/nazi stuff deleted as well as other OT stuff. Yeesh!

Also, not sure what you mean? Tuning VI's to a different reference or being able to calibrate DP's pitch correction to a different pitch reference? I've heard rumor that the latter may be coming in the not too distant future, but don't quote me.

Thanks you James - much appreciated.

On the second part of your post - are you referring to something that would be a global control in DP that would change the pitch reference of all VI's rather than by doing so in each individual vi?

bayswater · Post by **bayswater** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:33 am

You can achieve the same numerological properties (e.g. division by 3 etc.) by claiming that a second in the music is 1.81818% shorter than usual. (or time stretch the final mix by the same amount?)

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:25 am

n2mpujack wrote:
James Steele wrote:Okay... all the weird political/historical/nazi stuff deleted as well as other OT stuff. Yeesh!

Also, not sure what you mean? Tuning VI's to a different reference or being able to calibrate DP's pitch correction to a different pitch reference? I've heard rumor that the latter may be coming in the not too distant future, but don't quote me.
Thanks you James - much appreciated.

On the second part of your post - are you referring to something that would be a global control in DP that would change the pitch reference of all VI's rather than by doing so in each individual vi?

That I don't know. Just that we might be able to set a new reference for DP's pitch correction. I don't know anything about the VI issue. Is that even possible that the host DAW can change master tuning of VI's???

As for that site about 432 -- reminds me of a girl I met years ago in my 20s. She was very attractive and we were getting along great until I noticed a crystal she was wearing around her neck and she proceeded to tell me about how wearing that crystal strengthened her bones or something. She must have seen my eyes glaze over at that point. "You don't believe that, do you? You think it's silly?" I didn't even care and said "Yep!" I added that the only way it might help her bones is if she ground it up and ingested it for whatever trace calcium it might contain. Needless to say I didn't get lucky, but it was okay as it suddenly felt like if I had, I'd have been taking advantage of the mentally challenged.

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:56 am

James Steele wrote: As for that site about 432 -- reminds me of a girl I met years ago in my 20s. She was very attractive and we were getting along great until I noticed a crystal she was wearing around her neck and she proceeded to tell me about how wearing that crystal strengthened her bones or something. She must have seen my eyes glaze over at that point. "You don't believe that, do you? You think it's silly?" I didn't even care and said "Yep!" I added that the only way it might help her bones is if she ground it up and ingested it for whatever trace calcium it might contain. Needless to say I didn't get lucky, but it was okay as it suddenly felt like if I had, I'd have been taking advantage of the mentally challenged.

Good story

I also felt the same way regarding the site. It reminded me of all those TV ads where they claim you lose weight by rubbing some soap in your belly, or by wearing some "magical" shoe... it never ceases to amaze me people actually buy into those things.
I mean, you wanna loose weight? Get off your butt, stop eating twinkies, and do some exercise!

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:11 pm

James Steele wrote:... reminds me of a girl I met years ago in my 20s ... she proceeded to tell me about how wearing that crystal strengthened her bones or something. Needless to say I didn't get lucky, but it was okay as it suddenly felt like if I had, I'd have been taking advantage of the mentally challenged.

But you see James, it's all a matter of perspective. What you delete as "religion" for some is just another crystal to others and visa versa. Perhaps poo poo'ing all beliefs should be verboten? How about meditation and non-Christian spiritual practices that have nothing to do with religion in your sense of the word, yet are extremely important to people who believe it? Religion? Not necessarily.

Can you see the incongruity here?

I'm just sayin... I don't think the crystals do any good, but I also can't see the radiation that is treating my sister's cancer - yet it is helping. I can hear the difference between 438 and 444 but does it really change the way the music is perceived, or just add or subtract a little brightness on a particular instrument(s) due to the physics of the a string or tube of air?

Of course, this forum also hosts a discussion which attempts to marginalize of quarter tones and 19 note scales and the like. Just because you can't hear them doesn't mean they are not valid or useful. I'm not a big fan of 19 note scales in general, but I can imagine how dull Indian and Asian music would be without them or how much less effective George Crumb's Makrokosmos and similar works would be if relegated to the 12 note Western scales.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:55 pm

As I was typing this Michael, I had a feeling that someone would lay in wait to jump me and criticize me. I'm glad that you didn't disappoint. I'm not sure crystals are religion, but consider myself chastised sufficiently. Nice work, Michael.

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MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:15 pm

James Steele wrote:... I had a feeling that someone would lay in wait to jump me and criticize me. I'm glad that you didn't disappoint.

You think I hide in the shadows and wait to pounce on you? Really?

Hardly.

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