AUX TRACKS

[anthonie]

Hi All,

I am using DP 7.2 for dance production, so I use VI's a lot.
Now... when I decide to pull up an AUX to track to route the output of an VI to a seperate output in DP, I get a louder signal than the original. My question is: is this normal in DP, when creating an AUX and route the signal to that out, that the signal becomes louder (than teh original coming from the VI)

plse let me know

[jloeb]

Please give a specific example of your tracks with their routings.

Guesses: 1) VI goes through a send to the aux and both are going to the same main output, in which case you've basically cloned the track and thereby doubled the amplitude; 2) there's a fader or a send gain somewhere in your chain that's at a greater than unity value; 3) your send from the VI is pre-fader and therefore no longer attenuated.

[anthonie]

okay..here is what i do:
i add new instr. let's say Stylus RMX from spectrasonics, then I go to bundle/instruments and I add let say output 3&4. Then i create an new aux-track and choose as input the Stylus 3&4. Then i change the output within Stylus RMX to 3&4. Result: a much louder signal.
The question actually is: is it possible to create different outputs and keep the same level?

thx.

[jloeb]

Ah ok. So it looks like what you're doing is duplicating the output of RMX, so you're multiplying its output amplitude by 2. So of course you'll get a louder signal.

What are you trying to do?

If what you're trying to do is have a "copy" of RMXs output so that you can process it differently from your first output pair, then that's fine, you've done it. All you need to do is turn down the faders so that the final sum is the level you want it to be. However, if what you want is a copy of the same stuff to process differently, you're not doing this the way people (or at least I) usually do it. I don't use the Bundle window. What I do in that case is just create an Aux with input bus 3/4 for example and then route a Send from the RMX instrument track to bus 3/4. The signal gets louder of course, because i've copied the signal and sent it to a second output track (which is what I want). Then I just set the FX for each and turn the levels down with the faders until they sum to the level I need.

Usually when you create more outputs for an instrument in the Bundle window though, you do that because you want to have more outputs to send different instrument parts to so they can be processed separately; for example, kick to bus 1/2, snare to bus 3/4, cymbals to bus 5/6, etc. Once you've added your outputs in the Bundles window, the instrument routing is achieved from within the VI. But it doesn't sound like that's what you're trying to do. If you're just trying to get a copy of the VI signal as a whole, for example to add parallel compression or something, you don't need to invoke the Bundles window at all.

But if you're copying signal, there will always be an amplitude increase, as there should be.

[Kubi]

All other things being equal they should play at the same volume. They certainly do over here.

You may have a different fader level on the aux compared to the instrument track? Or like jloeb suggested maybe accidentally have two signals in parallel at the same time? Maybe post a screen shot of your mixer? If all is set up correctly the two signals end up at the exact same level.

[jloeb]

My question is: is this normal in DP, when creating an AUX and route the signal to that out, that the signal becomes louder (than teh original coming from the VI)

Short answer: if you're copying the main outs instead of subdividing parts from within the VI, then yes, it's normal that the sum of the two signals is louder.

Individually, as Kubi says, they should be identical. But whenever output is copied (doubled), the result in the master bus will be more volume.

[anthonie]

thx all for the answers.
actually i have read the manual and used the bundle/instrument (add the instrument is probably the same as creating a bus) option and then create an aux track. answer to my question is : yes if i understand correctly from you...the signal will be louder and i have to pull down the aux-fader.
i will try the option not using the the bundle, but create a bus and then send the signal to the bus, but still the signal will be louder then.

sometimes DP is a little confusing for me using busses/aux tracks and VI's multiple-outputs, but anyway i still think it is the best DAW outthere.

thx !!!

[zaratero]

If you pull that aux all the way down, can you still hear the Instrument?

[anthonie]

if i pull the aux all the way down, i hear nothing....given not using a send

[jloeb]

OK then the Instrument and Aux tracks are not parallel in DP.

What's the output of your instrument track set to? How about the output of your Aux track?
(When not using a send.)

[anthonie]

both to the main-outs

[jloeb]

OK now i'm confused.

Your instrument track and aux are both set to main outs; RMX (the instrument on your instrument track) has bundle outputs that include: RMX 1-2 and RMX 3-4; the Aux has input RMX 3-4.

But you can't hear anything from RMX at all when you pull down the aux fader? Can you see signal on the Instrument track meters?

I don't own RMX so I don't know much of anything about its output options, but my guess at this point, if indeed all the signal from RMX is going through the aux, is that in RMX, you're somehow setting its output to be output 3-4 instead of its main outs, and that there is a mixer inside RMX that normally attenuates the signal to the main outs which is no longer doing so when you set its ouput to 3/4.

[Kubi]

Try posting a screenshot of your mixer with the buss assignments etc. visible. If your screen is big enough, include the mixer of RMX in the picture, as well as the open bundles window. That should clear things up.

[anthonie]

of course i can hear the main-outs and hear the RMX and separetly the puts that i assigned to the aux track are resonding to the fader of the aux -track.
but ...main question was : is it right that i get a louder signal, when creating sub-outs and assign it to teh aux-track...answer is yes.


thx

[zaratero]

of course i can hear the main-outs and hear the RMX and separetly the puts that i assigned to the aux track are resonding to the fader of the aux -track.
but ...main question was : is it right that i get a louder signal, when creating sub-outs and assign it to teh aux-track...answer is yes.


thx

I don´t use VIs. but the answer is NO to any routing within DP. There´s no different volumes for using different busses or their type. There might be a difference between the actual busses involved here though.