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Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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I think it's great that Motu is responding so quickly towards honing DP 7.1x into a brilliant update. I am having an issue that seems even a bit more pronounced in 7.12. I have eight tracks of grouped drums. I zoom in till the ticks show 240 (eighth notes). Scrolling with the mouse becomes very, very choppy and slow. I'm also noticing a delay when I select the grouped drums in the tracks window and a delay when I highlight the grouped drums for editing.
I spoke with Motu about this yesterday and they said they were working on this. I was hoping that this update might do the trick, but I understand that the waveform redraw issue probably takes precedent. Is anyone else noticing the same behavior?

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Re: Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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Scrolling in the Track Overview or different window?

If Mixing Board, try disabling that preference for adjusting faders with scroll wheel.

Also, what mouse driver? Maybe using USB Overdrive might help... dunno. Well, we just knew 7.12 wasn't going to be perfect, didn't we. :(
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Re: Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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Scrolling in the Sequence editing window. Of course there are no "perfect" versions of any software. I'm finding this version of DP very stable which ranks very high in importance. Audio editing large groups of tracks is another very important part of my DAW experience. DP 7.02 is the most smooth experience I've had in terms of quick scrolling, editing zoomed in etc... I find DP's SE window to be my favorite editing environment, and that includes having worked in PT and Logic. I'm going to attempt to do heavy editing in 7.02, and continue to track and mix in 7.12. Looking forward to the next update hitting on all cylinders!
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Re: Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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James Steele wrote:Scrolling in the Track Overview or different window?

If Mixing Board, try disabling that preference for adjusting faders with scroll wheel.

Also, what mouse driver? Maybe using USB Overdrive might help... dunno. Well, we just knew 7.12 wasn't going to be perfect, didn't we. :(
I don't know what USB Overdrive is. If it makes things more zippy I'm all for it. Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out!
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Re: Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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The Mixing Board pref doesn't have anything to do with zippiness of scrolling. I don't know about USB Overdrive; I haven't used it in a long, long time. What I found is that the Apple Mouse scrolls at a decent rate. My Kensington Trackball does not. I recall another Kensington Trackball that scrolled closer to the speed of the Apple Mouse.

I think it's really a matter of how fast your device will scroll.

On the other hand, what I found to be extremely slow is resizing the Sequence Editor window inside Consolidated Windows. You can move the mouse fast, but the window takes a long time to catch up.

Balancing this out is the reliability: very good. Time was, when you'd scroll or resize something and got the spinning wheel, it was going to crash. You just got to watch the wheel spin, waiting for the inevitable. Since 7.0, the wheel can spin and you think it's going to go *POOF*, but instead the wheel quits spinning, it finishes the operation, and everything keeps right on going. VERY GOOD! I mean, that's what it's SUPPOSED to do, but I'm just glad that it's doing what it's supposed to do.

Also, playback is pretty much flawless for me. There can be issues that happen before playback begins, but it starts without a hitch, sounds beautiful with no clicks, pops, surges, leaps, skips, or hangs. Again; it does what it's supposed to do. That's worthy of a pat on the back to some programmers.

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Re: Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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Hey Shooshie,
You're right, it's not the mouse, it's the window trying to keep up with the mouse. 7.12 is noticeably slower when zoomed in the SE window compared to 7.02. Other than that, I'm enjoying the ride with 7.12.
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Re: Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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Shooshie wrote:The Mixing Board pref doesn't have anything to do with zippiness of scrolling.
Yeah... shot in the dark. I just suggested it as it sounds like he wouldn't use that feature and might as well turn it off for good measure.
I don't know about USB Overdrive; I haven't used it in a long, long time. What I found is that the Apple Mouse scrolls at a decent rate. My Kensington Trackball does not. I recall another Kensington Trackball that scrolled closer to the speed of the Apple Mouse.

I think it's really a matter of how fast your device will scroll.
USB Overdrive is a third party mouse/trackball driver that will give greater control and acceleration and you can also customize the buttons so they do different things in different apps. I highly recommend it. With my 30" widescreen monitor it's the only way I can zip around the entire screen with minimal movement. I was thinking it MIGHT make the scrolling faster too.
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Re: Scroll, edit functions in 7.12 slow

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bradswan wrote:Hey Shooshie,
You're right, it's not the mouse, it's the window trying to keep up with the mouse. 7.12 is noticeably slower when zoomed in the SE window compared to 7.02. Other than that, I'm enjoying the ride with 7.12.
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